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Revolver123
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02-03-2009, 04:24 PM
Post subject: What is your range on the button?
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I've seen a variety of ranges discussed. From staying tight to raising with cards like suited connectors or suited gaps in this position. I've even seen people saying they limp in with Ace rag suited here.
What's the best range to play on the button?
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kb coolman
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Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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bigspenda73
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The best range to play on the button is the one which fully exploits the Small and Big Blind's tendencies.
You also need to provide a little more information about the situation. Have players limped/raised PF or has the table folded to you?
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bode
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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wat? you're doing this on the button? do you play like 40/2?
As for OP's question, I raise just over 50% of hands OTB in an unraised pot, but as the big spender has said this depends heavily on the SB and BB's tendencies.
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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I'd rather raise those
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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I'd rather raise those |
I do at tighter tables. At loose tables, I've found it's more profitable to limp behind at $10NL.
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TonyB73
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Overall I think I'm about 40/30 from the button and my attempt to steal (from all positions - I can't remember from the button only) is over 40%. But as has already been said, it could vary A LOT depending on who is in the blinds.
To be honest I probably steal slightly too much, and limp behind a UTG/MP/CO raiser a bit too much too.
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Stacks
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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I'd rather raise those |
I do at tighter tables. At loose tables, I've found it's more profitable to limp behind at $10NL. |
I can understand limping behind other limpers with hands like mid-small pps, 54s-T9s, but I would most certainly be isolating with Broadways, Ax, Kx type hands. And your reasoning that it's a loose table shouldn't affect this much.. If it's a loose table the range of hands they will be limp/calling should be wide enough that we aren't just relying on them limp/folding or limp/calling, check/folding. That is, our Ax, Kx, Broadway type hands should be ahead of the portion of their range, and we can expect to get a few streets worth of value when we hit.
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texa8
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Depends on limp/call/raise.
I'll limp 22+, Axs+, Kxs+, all SCs, 86s+ and any two broadways.
My calling and raising ranges are similare to MP. It also depends on the table.
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i raise hands like these when folded to me with the goal of taking the blinds (assuming of course the blinds arent loose passive and theres fold equity).
Those kinds of hands all have potential post flop, but even if u miss if u isolate one player out of position you're still good to take it down with a cbet depending on the texture of the board.
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
I can understand limping behind other limpers with hands like mid-small pps, 54s-T9s, but I would most certainly be isolating with Broadways, Ax, Kx type hands. And your reasoning that it's a loose table shouldn't affect this much.. If it's a loose table the range of hands they will be limp/calling should be wide enough that we aren't just relying on them limp/folding or limp/calling, check/folding. That is, our Ax, Kx, Broadway type hands should be ahead of the portion of their range, and we can expect to get a few streets worth of value when we hit.
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I should have further clarified my limping range. This would have been explaind had I defined my call/raise range, but I'm lazy. I'm really talking about limping QJ/KJ/AT offsuit type hands, 22-66, weak suited aces and kings...the speculative stuff I wouldn't play EP. I'm usually raising KQ+ and AJ+ for value, depending on the table. I've been playing tables lately that routinely get 3-4 callers with a 10xBB 3bet in position, so raising for isolation is a little counter-productive. I've recently moved up to $25NL, so I'm sure it will change some.
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it doesn't make sense to limp ATo because if you don't get it heads up your hand plays like shit
in fact I'd rather openfold ATo from every position than limp it
AJo-, KQo- are such fail hands
I've yet to make a profit on any of them in my db
probably because I'm a bad player, but still
I mostly have hands in FR so that may be it
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kb coolman
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You know, I need to pull those up, too. I've looked at my profitable UTG hands, but never on the BTN....
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Stacks
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Limping behind with hands like KJ, QJ, AT, QT, KT, etc type hands is not good imho. These are hands that do not play all that well in multiway pots unless you hit the nuts (straight or flush). However, these hands play relatively well in a raised pot IP against a limp/calling range. Isolating is so incredibly profitable.
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