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BILLABONG

02-08-2005, 08:44 PM Post subject: What would you have done?

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Dealt to 20nCrAzY [Ks Kc]
frankethehat: calls $0.50
empress58: folds
CephusGordon: folds
himes17113 said, "ouch"
himes17113: folds
Dolvio: folds
20nCrAzY: raises $1.50 to $2
TurboToad: folds
Breeze099: raises $3 to $5
WhoShotJFK?: folds
frankethehat: folds
20nCrAzY: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h 2d]
Breeze099: bets $6
20nCrAzY: raises $12 to $18
Breeze099: raises $34.10 to $52.10 and is all-in
himes17113 said, "bad lay 4 someone"
20nCrAzY said, "i have kk"
20nCrAzY said, "and im beat"
himes17113 said, "go 4 it"
20nCrAzY said, "he has aa"
himes17113 said, "he has 4 hearts"
20nCrAzY said, "show?"
20nCrAzY: folds
Breeze099 collected $44.70 from pot
Breeze099: doesn't show hand
20nCrAzY has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47 | Rake $2.30
Board [7h 2h 2d]
Seat 1: empress58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CephusGordon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: himes17113 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Dolvio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 20nCrAzY folded on the Flop
Seat 6: TurboToad (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Breeze099 (small blind) collected ($44.70)
Seat 8: WhoShotJFK? (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: frankethehat folded before Flop

He later claimed he had QQ. I didnt have a read on this player and I just felt he had AA when he pushed, I guess I was wrong....

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ilikeaces86

02-09-2005, 12:15 AM

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Ok your playing No Limit poker....You have to decide on whether or not you are the type of player who is gonna push with just AA or are you gonna push with KK and AA and just pay off the AA every once in a while...I am the latter I cant even count the number of times that I have pushed with KK thinkin in my head Ill pay off AA and they end up having AK QQ JJ 1010 or AQ In my opinion I think it is more profitable over time to just say Ill pay of Aces and Play like you have the best hand...Play with strength show no mercy... When you have KK make other people think does he have AA?? First of all I would of pushed that hand preflop when you got the reraise...and after getting a beatiful flop 722 push your chips in the middle man! This is no limit poker get some balls.

Corey

02-09-2005, 12:25 AM

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like aces said when u reraises you preflop back go all in preflop

Corey

Usuyami

02-09-2005, 08:17 AM

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Yeah, I have people pushing me around and reraising my huge raises when I have pocket Kings, after thinking for like 1.43 seconds, I call their all-in. And whammo! They have queens or jacks. Don't outthink yourself, they may play like they have aces, but to some people, jacks and queens are like aces.

gregor

02-09-2005, 01:18 PM

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im all in in a heartbeat with that small raise......AA won't risk you folding the hand to a min raise over your 1.50....that was a positional bet, with the guy knowing he wanted to lead bet the flop with the lower PP, risk of AK on the flop...He cna still bet an A,K on the flop feeling like he is coming from strength....

If he had AA there he played it well, disguised his hand.....

gregor

02-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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then again, i was in the same position two days ago (kk), paired flop, rainbow in my case, he bet, i came over big, he went all for a few bucks more, and ended up with the AA...

whileone

02-09-2005, 06:10 PM

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i'm a coward, so i'd just push them all in after his reraise. If i see the flop i might chicken out.

kings rock, good for going all in preflop especialy after a reraise like that. some folks will call with AK, QQ, JJ and wierder stuff.

twosevoff

02-10-2005, 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

Seconded. I would never ever lay that hand down with that flop.

Demiparadigm

02-10-2005, 10:58 PM

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I agree I will call in this situation 98% of the time. Things I disagree with though: Don't decide if you are the type of player who will only push with AA, decide if your opponent is that type of player.
I like your call on the flop, but I would have done it with the intention of pushing in on the turn unless the A flops. Since there are a lot of hands that people will re-raise with, and none of them should have hit that flop, against a player I didn't know, I will always call. Only when a player had shown me he won't risk his chips without the nuts, will I lay that down.
I don't like going all in before the flop, because you can almost always expect a reraiser to bet at the flop regardless of what it is. wait for his bet, then move in your stack.

Mony B

02-11-2005, 12:54 AM Post subject: maybe

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some of the best advice I have ever listend to was, dont let you opponent put you to a decision, make him make the choice. I would have first off pushed preflop, so what if you take down a smaller pot, you didnt loose. I dont mind the call but a reraise would have been much better. What kinds of reads did you have on this player? To me i look at this hand and see him with 4 different types of hands. Higher pocket pair (AA,QQ,JJ, even TT), AK, or if dumb enough AQ, he might have thought your raise on the flop was BS and he had the best hand, He could have had a lower pocket pair or even the boat at this point 77 is not out of the question, or he could have had the flush draw, ive seen people push many many times to a reraise on a semi bluff people love to gamble and hit the lucky card. I dont mind your fold either if you put him on one of the three hands on the flop that could beat you with reads. The only advice i can really tell you is push preflop and make him make the choice, if he turns over AA you have 5 cards to hit your two outer, if you dont, rebuy and move on.

johnnyawe

02-13-2005, 05:57 PM

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Worst fold I have ever seen posted here.

johnnyawe

02-14-2005, 01:50 AM

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Did I even consider folding this? NO.

***** Hand History for Game 1587620556 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Sunday, February 13, 21:41:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 14176 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: tenincheslmp ( $46.87 )
Seat 8: sangkuch ( $27.28 )
Seat 10: ArcadeFire01 ( $101.58 )
Seat 6: johnnyawe ( $84.25 )
Seat 3: antz82 ( $103.3 )
Seat 1: juan1234 ( $50 )
tenincheslmp posts small blind [$0.5].
johnnyawe posts big blind [$1].
juan1234 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyawe [ :Kc: :Kh: ]
sangkuch raises [$4].
ArcadeFire01 calls [$4].
juan1234 folds.
antz82 folds.
>You have options at Table 32173 (6 max) Table!.
tenincheslmp raises [$14.5].
>You have options at Table 32173 (6 max) Table!.
johnnyawe raises [$34].
sangkuch folds.
ArcadeFire01: uh oh
ArcadeFire01 folds.
tenincheslmp calls [$20].
** Dealing Flop ** [

, :Tc: ]
tenincheslmp: lol
>You have options at Table 32173 (6 max) Table!.
tenincheslmp is all-In.
johnnyawe calls [$11.87].
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Ks: ]
** Dealing River ** [

]
tenincheslmp shows [

] a pair of sevens.
johnnyawe shows [ :Kc:, :Kh: ] three of a kind, kings.
johnnyawe wins $100.74 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.

FyrFytr998

02-14-2005, 02:32 AM

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I agree. Sometimes you have to just gamble and let the cards fall where they may. If he had aces then there's nothing you can do about it. But it's amazing what some people consider an all in hand. As in Johnny's example above.

I mean does the small moral victory of knowing you laid down Kings to Aces (IF he had aces), outweigh not knowing if you could have took the pot?

Big Lick

02-14-2005, 01:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyawe

Worst fold I have ever seen posted here.

I guess you didn't see the boat I folded the other day.

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