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littleogre
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04-03-2010, 09:00 AM
Post subject: what strategys to use against people who c-bet to much and not enough ?
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This thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1930653 got me thinking about this question.
Would like to hear from others with more advanced strats as mine are fairly basic. I will start with people who c-bet at a high rate and break them into 2 categories those with a high pfr and those with a low pfr.
versus low pfr
1 i'm always check folding my air. Except when the board is monotone and i have a matching ace or king in my hand. Even your average 2nl drooler will take notice when you c/r them on a monotone board. I also like to c/r them when i have combo draws. For the most part i don't mess with them unless i flopped a big hand or have a big draw or the board is real scary. When 100 blinds or more deep I'll flat their raises with 22-jj and mix up 3-betting and flatting with QQ+. I'll also flat with decent to premium aces aces suited or unsuited. I don't really like 3-betting AK versus tight players. We are not that far in front of there raising range and likely crushed if they re raise us As stacks get deeper i add more hands.
I'm tired of typing for the moment but to close i will just say this is not a hey everybody look at my awesome strats type thread. This is a hey lets talk about this subject thread. So if others want to chime in that's great.
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LawDude
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In before spoon says "put your opponent on a range".
But seriously, as a mostly limit player I have a ton of experience in blind defense. And what you have to do is hypothesize a pre-flop raising range for that player from that position, and then see how likely it is that the board hit his range. If you think there is a high likelihood that it did not (and that the raiser did not have a big pocket pair to start with), you have a good situation for a bluff check-raise.
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spoonitnow
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On c-betting too much: If your opponent playing a weak range aggressively, you should adjust by ________.
On c-betting not enough: If your opponent is playing a strong range less aggressively than he should, you should adjust by ________.
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PlayToWin
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On c-betting too much: If your opponent playing a weak range aggressively, you should adjust by widening your calling/raising range.
On c-betting not enough: If your opponent is playing a strong range less aggressively than he should, you should adjust by tightening your calling/raising range.
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DJJunkPauds
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On c-betting too much: If your opponent playing a weak range aggressively, you should adjust by re-aggressing him with air more, calling him for value looser, and be more inclined to slow play.
On c-betting not enough: If your opponent is playing a strong range less aggressively than he should, you should adjust by... depends what you mean. If this means his range for aggression is even tighter, you should do the opposite of everything I said above.
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Santo2True
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On c-betting too much: If your opponent's playing a weak range aggressively, you should adjust by as stated above, open your range, mostly raising these opponents
On c-betting not enough: If your opponent is playing a strong range less aggressively than he should, you should adjust by i'm not sure the correct answer for this one either.. i would assume we are wanting to call/fold with a much tighter range here. attempting some pot control and not getting to invested?
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kmind
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Originally Posted by PlayToWin
On c-betting not enough: If your opponent is playing a strong range less aggressively than he should, you should adjust by tightening your calling/raising range.
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First of all I am not sure if spoon means the weak range more aggressively / strong range less aggressively thing deals strictly with cbetting or is he talking about their cbet/call, cbet/raising, double barreling, etc. ranges too?
But anyways, yes we should tighten our raising range here but our calling range should widen if stacks are sufficient. We are able to use our turn/river equity (basically we can double our equity now than against an aggro opponent) so we can "suckout" a lot more - so not only do our implied odds increase but our pure pot odds should as well when they don't bet nearly enough money/frequently.
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DJJunkPauds
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Also, Flopzilla is your friend for this.
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kmind
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Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
Also, Flopzilla is your friend for this.
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TBH I have just started using it the past couple of months and it has helped a lot. You can obv. do intensive studies with it but even getting general ideas on what ranges hit what flops and why helps a ton.
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littleogre
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Ok guys if villain is a loose-better and tight double barrel-er what adjustments should we make besides folding our marginal hands when he fires on the turn.
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Oh and ty to all the shared info.
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kmind
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If IP, call a TON on the flop with all sorts of crap including monsters and definitely like gutshots and maybe even worse and then fire if he checks with your weaker holdings and slowdown with your monsters if the board is dry. Flop texture should help greatly when determining to use this strategy as in on some flops call wayyyy more and others you can fold more often.
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