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Fnord
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07-05-2008, 01:11 PM
Post subject: What Stats are on your HuD?
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Been playing with PT3. So nice to have useful stats.
Player #Hands
VP$IP PFR AttSteal FoldBBSteal
3BetPF Fold3B FoldSteal3Bet
CBetFlop CBetTurn FoldFCBet
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Muzzard
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pretty much the same for me, though I have WTSD/W$SD.
I'd liek to see a squeeze stat and raise limpers PF stat, can be done through the custom stat thing - but I've no idea how!
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
WTSD/W$SD.
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Interesting. W$SD over a small sample is a luckbox stat. $$ won today would almost be more useful. How often does WTSD give you actionable infomation?
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
I'd liek to see a squeeze stat and raise limpers PF stat
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3Bet and PFR will help define those behaviors though.
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pokerfan
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is FoldSteal3Bet exactly Fold steal to blinds reraise in PT3?? what percentage of Cbet turn % do you think is rather high and they double barrel a lot?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
what percentage of Cbet turn % do you think is rather high and they double barrel a lot?
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Not sure yet, just started using it.
Against someone playing a sane amount of hands at 6max, you'll probably need at least a 1k sample, maybe 2k-3k for the number to have any value. Bascially, it's a tool to pwn regulars with.
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miracleriver
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
WTSD/W$SD.
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Interesting. W$SD over a small sample is a luckbox stat. $$ won today would almost be more useful. How often does WTSD give you actionable infomation? |
WTSD and W$SD are used together. For example, low WTSD + high W$SD indicates a weak-tight player; high WTSD + low W$SD indicates calling station.
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d0zer
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VPIP PFR AttSteal
CallPFR CBetFlop FoldToFCbet AF Hands
I'm thinking of taking off CbetFlop & leaving that in detail.
I also have my 3bet / call 3bet stats in detail cause I find myself using them infrequently enough that I'm ok checking detail
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daven
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VPIP/PFR/Steal attempt
c-bet/fold to flop re-raise/turn aggression
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euphoricism
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Im lame.
VPIP/PFR/AF
Att2steal/Fold2steal/hands.
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reprisal
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VPIP/PFR/AF/Att to Steal
WtSD/W$WSF/CBet/Fold Cbet
Fold vs Steal/3-bet/Fold 3-bet/various things i try out
W$WSF is pretty useful
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by reprisal
W$WSF is pretty useful
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How so? Give an example of a decision it effected.
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Da GOAT
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i think fold to 3bet and fold to 3bet pot c/b is goot
3bet BTN steal too
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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elipsesjeff
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no one uses agg numbers by street?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
no one uses agg numbers by street?
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Agression factor tries to do too much. Any decision it would feed into I could get better data from a different stat.
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elipsesjeff
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I disagree, I think the overall agg number is that way but when its broken down per street it gives a nice summary of how a person is going to play.
Yeah, there might be a combined 2-3 stats per street that do a better job in the popup menu but on the fly i like the agg per street.
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jyms
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I have been using W$WSF% as a better overall aggression indicator along with AF. My popup will tell me AF by street if I need but I think W$WSF is an indicative of our own aggression if used properly, why not theirs.
I also have CBet flop/fold to Cbet
Cbet turn/fold to turn Cbet
and bet river/fold to river witha pop up telling me their betting IP and OOP.
Plus the usual suspects stats
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Da GOAT
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i much prefer Agg % than AF.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
i much prefer Agg % than AF.
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Agreed. I think it gives you a fair picture of villains' betting patterns over less hands also, especially for loose players. Someone who's seeing 40% of flops gives you a pretty good idea how they play flops so much more quickly than a nit would.
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reprisal
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Ya, W$WSF is pretty similar to AF. it basically tells you how much they are fighting to win each pot. It gives you a pretty good idea how often they are putting the moves on post flop(and it converges faster than any of those stats individually). I also use it in a similar manner as mentioned earlier instead of W$SD in combination with WTSD.
I use Agg % and AF by street occasionally from popup stats, but they can be kinda tricky w/o a big sample size on the turn & river
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