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littleogre
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02-11-2010, 08:13 PM
Post subject: what should my tripple barreling range be....... ?
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versus a player who routinely flats all 3 streets with bottom pair? player also has a vpip of 73.5.
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littleogre
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perhaps a better why to ask the question is what should our triple barreling range be versus a player who will never fold bottom pair?
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WeaselT
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why tripple barrel a station?
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Donachello
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Full House
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Originally Posted by WeaselT
why tripple barrel a station?
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+1
Lesson one of beating micro stakes)
Never bluff someone who "routinely calls 3 streets" 
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol
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Miffed22001
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kiwiMark
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{7c8c} - This hand, also known as 'The Aces Cracker', is the most likely to hit a monster, as outlined below:
Sevens and Eights appear more commonly than any other card. Think about rolling two dice, the only way to roll a 2 is by getting a one on each die [1,1], but to roll a seven you could roll [6,1], [5,2] or [4,3] so it's just much more likely to come up.
As you probably remember from your school days, green (the colour used in a four card deck- make sure you have this setting enabled or your odds will drastically change) is the colour right in the middle of a rainbow (ROY G BIV), and so is the 'target' in the centre that the poker server is always aiming for, much like in a game of darts. As advances in technology make poker software more powerful, green cards become hugely more probable.
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by Donachello
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Originally Posted by WeaselT
why tripple barrel a station?
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+1
Lesson one of beating micro stakes)
Never bluff someone who "routinely calls 3 streets" |
Who said anything about bluffing? I'm asking what hands can we tripple barrel for value. Not sure why everyone is acting like the question is such a joke. I think it's good to know what hands we can profitable raise for value versus opponents calling range. Do you guys value bet with the same hands versus a rock as you do versus a donkey who will call the flop with any pair or gs
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AdamThePirate
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"As you probably remember from your school days, green (the colour used in a four card deck- make sure you have this setting enabled or your odds will drastically change) is the colour right in the middle of a rainbow (ROY G BIV), and so is the 'target' in the centre that the poker server is always aiming for, much like in a game of darts. As advances in technology make poker software more powerful, green cards become hugely more probable."
lolololol
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Take it Doyle, take it!
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by kiwiMark
{7c8c} - This hand, also known as 'The Aces Cracker', is the most likely to hit a monster, as outlined below:
Sevens and Eights appear more commonly than any other card. Think about rolling two dice, the only way to roll a 2 is by getting a one on each die [1,1], but to roll a seven you could roll [6,1], [5,2] or [4,3] so it's just much more likely to come up.
As you probably remember from your school days, green (the colour used in a four card deck- make sure you have this setting enabled or your odds will drastically change) is the colour right in the middle of a rainbow (ROY G BIV), and so is the 'target' in the centre that the poker server is always aiming for, much like in a game of darts. As advances in technology make poker software more powerful, green cards become hugely more probable.
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I asked a legitimate question. So i'm not sure why you replied with such an asinine response.
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Carroters
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Originally Posted by kiwiMark
{7c8c} - This hand, also known as 'The Aces Cracker', is the most likely to hit a monster, as outlined below:
Sevens and Eights appear more commonly than any other card. Think about rolling two dice, the only way to roll a 2 is by getting a one on each die [1,1], but to roll a seven you could roll [6,1], [5,2] or [4,3] so it's just much more likely to come up.
As you probably remember from your school days, green (the colour used in a four card deck- make sure you have this setting enabled or your odds will drastically change) is the colour right in the middle of a rainbow (ROY G BIV), and so is the 'target' in the centre that the poker server is always aiming for, much like in a game of darts. As advances in technology make poker software more powerful, green cards become hugely more probable.
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This is all gold imo. I think Kiwi has covered almost everything here, but I'll try to elaborate a little bit.
Vs someone who is calling 3 streets with bottom pair, we should be value betting all hands with spades. The reason is that spades are the prettiest suit so the server will throw them out at a very fast rate in order to transfix the players to never leave the site. Sometimes they will put out 12 cards on the flop and you don't notice? Why? Because 11 of them are spades ldo. Never discard spades on the turn, because there could be more than you think out on the board.
If this guy is calling down with bottom pair he doesn't realise we have a flush most of the time so just value bet. The danger of course is he may not realise he has a higher spades flush, but at least he wont raise you 
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littleogre
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i guess knowing how to properly exploit your opponents calling range doesn't matter to any of you. By the way there is an exact answer.
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JKDS
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The problem is with the word 'barreling'. This is a term used to describe, almost exclusively, running multistreet bluffs. So the question comes down to what is your 3 street bluffing range against a calling station, so obv you get lawl responses.
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But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by JKDS
The problem is with the word 'barreling'. This is a term used to describe, almost exclusively, running multistreet bluffs. So the question comes down to what is your 3 street bluffing range against a calling station, so obv you get lawl responses.
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Well i thought barreling simply meant to bet and did not inherently mean betting for value of bluffing. I will remember to specify value betting in the future. pretty sure i'm never gonna get an actual answer out of this thread even though i made it clear iwas talking about value betting in an one of my replies.
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littleogre
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the answer is middle pair 3rd kicker
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JKDS
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Well for a real response, it depends
While this player certainly can call down with bottom pair, what he calls down with in general will depend on the board texture. Even though this guy is apparently a drooling artard that hates folding, he'll still fold given the right circumstances. For example, I dont think he calls with bottom pair on a      board.
So his calling range, while often really wide, is still dependent on the board hes given.
Since if that is the case, (it is,) our value betting range is also dependent on the board. Thus we cant really answer the question
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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kiwiMark
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Originally Posted by littleogre
the answer is middle pair 3rd kicker
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Funniest response yet. GG.
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spoonitnow
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Barreling can be confused to mean bluffing, which probably caused this thread to suck. The answer to your question in the value department is whatever hands will have an equity edge on his calling down range. It's really that simple.
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