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villagenut
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05-14-2010, 06:01 PM
Post subject: What should i be thinking
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Straight
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one limper in early position. folded to me on button. Holding AJs i raise 3xBB + 1 for the limper. Folded to him and he calls.
The flop is K95 rainbow.
He checks and i cbet 3/4 of the pot. He calls..
I'm sure the answers are different for a 20/12 villain verses 18/16 but in general....
What should i be thinking?? I don't believe i am always behind here but maybe i should?
What ranges might the villian do this with?
If A or J comes on the turn and he checks...now what
I guess my overall question (or a leak) is i'm having trouble distinguishing between calling stations and sneeky players that have me crushed...
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Straight
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1. Put your opponent on a (goddamn) range.
2. I think it was daven who said "assume everyone at the micros is a passive donk". That line alone helped me a ton.
3. You should be thinking about what kind of hands he is check/calling with, while taking into consideration any reads you might have, as well as board texture. On such a dry board, there isn't much that he's calling with that youre ahead of.
Edit: Try to find a hand you had difficulty with and post the Hand History into a converter.
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al yell
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Quote:
Originally Posted by villagenut
.... i'm having trouble distinguishing between calling stations and sneeky players that have me crushed...
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Base your decision on what you know and what you have observed. From your description of the hand here's what I know:
- it's 2NL. Players are generally weak. (calling too much/overvaluing hands, etc)
- He's limp/calling UTG. Considered a weak/passive play and less than optimal strategy. So he's prob not sophisticated/just playing his cards.
- We're drawing thin against his made hands and virtually dead against the top of his range.
In my mind this is a passive, station-like villain that should probably not be bluffed. Given the information available to me at this time I would almost always check the turn - short of an 'A' - and try to show it down.
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Imthenewfish
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Why do we bet the flop?
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al yell
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
Why do we bet the flop?
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To pick up the dead money mostly I would think. Also as thin value vs his Ax hands or as a semi-bluff to our potential outs. Plus it only makes sense to cbet this board - we punished pf/have initiative/are more likely to have hit a 'K'/are continuing with our story that we have a strong hand, etc.
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Imthenewfish
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So.. betting protects your high card hand. Why doesn't he have a made hand on the flop that beats ours (assuming he is a passive 2nl donk) more OFTEN than his hand will draw out on you. Value betting here seems like the only real way to justify a bet to me, and I don't think you will know where you are later in the hand if you make a thin value bet on the flop. Why does it matter if there is a K on the flop, if "continuing with our story" often only gets him to fold hands we beat. This post is probably pretty donkish, but I don't see how this isn't a main example of a flop that you shouldn't cbet because it doesn't accomplish much :/.
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All valid points. I suppose I like to continue my aggression because I make a distinction between a passive player and a station. They can be both but there are a lot that play fit or fold. Until I know he's the type to float this flop with 77 I'm going to try to get him to fold it, especially when I think I very little showdown value.
So generally speaking I'm inclined to take the aggressive line without history or significant reads. But that's just me.
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Imthenewfish
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Oh, sorry, I was assuming he was a station that would call any pair on the flop
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