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Monty3038
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03-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Post subject: At what point do you graduate from beginner?
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Full House
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Hi Everyone,
This is a question I've been asking myself... and I'm curious as I feel I am on that verge of graduating from beginner. I am thinking there is still a huge amount to learn, but am trying to organize it into chunks I can learn and still keep a day job 
Any thoughts on when you move out of the beginner category?
Monty
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taipan168
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Why does it matter? Everybody is still learning, however good they might be (or think they are)
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Fnord
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When you can understand ISF's posts.
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Monty3038
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Originally Posted by Fnord
When you can understand ISF's posts.
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While it is true it doesn't matter if I stay a beginner...
I too have difficulty with ISF's posts... they make my head hurt, but I'm starting to grasp some of it, like his avatar.
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Robb
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I considered myself a total noobie until I played 100k hands - now I consider myself a beginner. I'll let you know when I think I've graduate to naive intermediate player.
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Ash256
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Originally Posted by Robb
I considered myself a total noobie until I played 100k hands - now I consider myself a beginner. I'll let you know when I think I've graduate to naive intermediate player.
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lol for sure
I've played like 175k all-time and I'm still pretty bad at poker
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spoonitnow
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You don't ever stop being a beginner imo.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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pgil
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beginner is relative to the people you are playing against. against any semi decent player I am less than a beginner, but against the monkeys that I play with I would put myself in the intermediate category. Against some friends that I have played with live I would almost go so far as to say I am an expert, but that is just because they marveled at the fact that I raised pf in a tournament.
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bjsaust
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I'm not sure what the point of this grading system is.
I'd say you go from beginner to novice when you understand ISFs posts.
You go from novice to intermediate when you actually work out how to implement what he's talking about.
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Just playing to improve.
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VinceSincere
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If you understand the following concepts, you're probably no longer a beginner...
- Pot odds
- Implied odds
- Reverse implied odds
- Pot equity
- Fold equity
- Tournament equity
- Isolation play
- The value of position
- Variance
Understanding how to apply these concepts successfully to your play is what makes an expert. I don't claim that status (yet).
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frosst
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03-05-2008, 02:34 AM
Post subject: Re: At what point do you graduate from beginner?
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Originally Posted by Monty3038
Hi Everyone,
Any thoughts on when you move out of the beginner category?
Monty
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when you can take the pebble from lukie's hand
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daven
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03-05-2008, 05:49 AM
Post subject: Re: At what point do you graduate from beginner?
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Originally Posted by Monty3038
Any thoughts on when you move out of the beginner category?
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when you aren't bothered by things that shouldn't bother you...
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bode
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Originally Posted by VinceSincere
If you understand the following concepts, you're probably no longer a beginner...
- Pot odds
- Implied odds
- Reverse implied odds
- Pot equity
- Fold equity
- Tournament equity
- Isolation play
- The value of position
- Variance
Understanding how to apply these concepts successfully to your play is what makes an expert. I don't claim that status (yet).
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FAIL. while all of these things do contribute to becoming an "expert", as you call it, you havent even scratched the surface.
i like fnords answer, and i am still a beginner because i dont understand all of ISF's posts.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by VinceSincere
If you understand the following concepts, you're probably no longer a beginner...
- Pot odds
- Implied odds
- Reverse implied odds
- Pot equity
- Fold equity
- Tournament equity
- Isolation play
- The value of position
- Variance
Understanding how to apply these concepts successfully to your play is what makes an expert. I don't claim that status (yet).
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FAIL. while all of these things do contribute to becoming an "expert", as you call it, you havent even scratched the surface.
i like fnords answer, and i am still a beginner because i dont understand all of ISF's posts. |
You can't graduate from beginner status without understanding all of ISF's posts. But I'm worried that we're trying to define what activity or list of things we understand make us no longer beginners. It seems silly.
Like spoon says: we're all beginners. I'm a beginner at NL25 having played 100k hands at NL10. Spoon's recently been a beginner at NL200. I play cash almost exclusively, so I will (some day) be a beginner at SnG's and MTT's. There's a lot to be a beginner at in poker. And if we retain our "beginner's attitude," we're more likely to adapt, learn and succeed.
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MuddyWicket
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at what point do the majority of players on a table start betting correctly instead of 1/10th of the pot like always?
or is betting correctly a shifting sand that moves on each level?
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speedcake
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Originally Posted by MuddyWicket
at what point do the majority of players on a table start betting correctly instead of 1/10th of the pot like always?
or is betting correctly a shifting sand that moves on each level?
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lol Ive seen people bet "incorrectly" all the way up to $50 NLHE at least, so...
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