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TheSyphon
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05-27-2008, 03:47 PM
Post subject: What are the optimum number of FLOPS to see?
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Join Date: May 2008
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 Let's say we are 10 handed in the middle of a tournament. There must be some number to shoot toward - OPTIMALLY. I know it depends on you position and the cards you receive, but there must be a number thats not too loose or too aggressive.
Seeing every hand = BAD Seeing no hands, waiting for Aces = Worse.
What is a good number to range my play?
Anybody?
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Still the middle of the tournament... IMO still around 20% except when folded to in late position... in that case see more flops and steal the blinds.
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TheSyphon
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Join Date: May 2008
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How did you come up with 20%? Computer program? In a book? Good guess? My guess was around 20% actually, but I'm looking for hard evidence to support my number.
Hasn't anyone gone through a great TV tournament and recorded what the winner did?
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First of all, they hardly ever show every hand on TV. But to come up with an exact number is impossible because everything is extremely situational. I came up with 20% because it's still the middle of the tournament where the blinds are increasing, but not enough to be constantly stealing the blinds. At this point in the tournament, I would assume there are probably 2 short-stacks looking to push/fold and maybe 2 large stacks who are pushing the table around a bit. If this holds true, you still have 6 players playing actual poker. I stand by the 20% but again, it's so situational but over a long period of time, I'm guessing the number should be fairly close to that 20%.
This is about the easiest explanation I can come up with.
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TheSyphon
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Thanks!
You know, if two people saw each flop and there were ten people, that would work out to exactly 20% per round. Of course, sometimes more than tow see a flop and sometimes there is no flop, but it's weird that the average is 20%.
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Warpe
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Taking skill out of the equation, at a 10 person table you should win an average of 1 in 10 hands and ~50% of hands played HU, so 20% is about right.
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TheSyphon
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Join Date: May 2008
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Can't one of you successful pros out their download your stats and share?
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frosst
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the reason you won't get a definite answer is because there isn't one. it depends on the player. if you haven't figured it out already, "it depends" is going to be your answer to 98% of open ended questions because it's true. Some people play 8% of their dealt hands while others play 40-55%, and both types of players can be successful. But generally, you don't want to play marginal hands (read: see alot of flops) until you've learned how to play your strong hands well
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TheSyphon
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I understand and agree, but . . .
You pretty much can count on playing your BB (10%) and conservatively 1/2 of your SBs (5%), so there's 15% without catching any great hands.
If a guy only saw 8% of his flops, I'm folding about every time he bets. That seems WAY TOO tight to win. To see 50% of all flops would cost a fortune, unless you were Jaime Gold, then I'll see EVERY flop.
It does depend, but there must be some benchmark or average that I can try to adjust to in more normal situations. Does that make sense?
A standard raise is 3-4xBB. Bet more and you might run off a hand you could beat. Bet less and you'll invite a suck out. But at least you have a benchmark to adjust to or start from.
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Ovaltine88
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I was seeing flop at around 30% in 6-max. As a beginner, I was losing or pretty much break-even. Down around 270 over 2 months, at first I thought it was tilt. Sometimes when you play too much hands, there ares hands you will lose that would cause you to tilt. Now I've been playing tight(around 20%), just won $50 in a session with 10/20 blinds, my highest winning session yet. It did took me four hours, but very low variance. Tight-agressive is the way to go at first.
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xptboy
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I'd agree around 20% is good, but different situations should cause you to play looser or tighter
I end up averaging at 20% though (well I've only played a week since coming back to poker but still... just my opinion)
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jyms
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downlaod pokerstove and decide on where in the tournement you want to look at. Blinds, and stack sizes will determine your stats by which hands you are willing to play.
20% looks like this,
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TheSyphon
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Bump!
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