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02-27-2008, 05:08 AM
Post subject: what i learned about 10nl in the last 1k hands.........
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when ur image is TA/A and you lead out w/ flopped 2pr (or check/raise) and your opp reraises all in (with the reraise being more than 3x your bet)........your 2pr is no good. Feel free to learn from my mistake 
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daven
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What I learned at 10nl:
1) you do not have an image, nobody is paying any attention to how you play.
2) people are normally scared to re-raise. Respect this play without a read.
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bode
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02-27-2008, 10:40 AM
Post subject: Re: what i learned about 10nl in the last 1k hands.........
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Originally Posted by frosst
when ur image is TA/A and you lead out w/ flopped 2pr (or check/raise) and your opp reraises all in (with the reraise being more than 3x your bet)........your 2pr is no good. Feel free to learn from my mistake |
except when some donk over plays his AA on a JT3 flop vs your JT. Generic rules like these can lose you as much as they can save you.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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givememyleg
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02-27-2008, 10:41 AM
Post subject: Re: what i learned about 10nl in the last 1k hands.........
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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Originally Posted by frosst
when ur image is TA/A and you lead out w/ flopped 2pr (or check/raise) and your opp reraises all in (with the reraise being more than 3x your bet)........your 2pr is no good. Feel free to learn from my mistake |
except when some donk over plays his AA on a JT3 flop vs your JT. Generic rules like these can lose you as much as they can save you. |
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02-27-2008, 12:49 PM
Post subject: Re: what i learned about 10nl in the last 1k hands.........
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Straight
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Originally Posted by frosst
when ur image is TA/A and you lead out w/ flopped 2pr (or check/raise) and your opp reraises all in (with the reraise being more than 3x your bet)........your 2pr is no good. Feel free to learn from my mistake |
except when some donk over plays his AA on a JT3 flop vs your JT. Generic rules like these can lose you as much as they can save you. |
I wasn't saying fold 2pr to a reraise everytime. What I'm saying is, usually if someone reraises all in, with the size difference between your raise and and theirs being > 3x (for example, 10nl, $2 pot, you lead for $1-$1.50, and they reraise all in for $12) then generally your 2pr is not the winning hand. Usually, someone doesn't do that with a big overpair because they want you to call. So if there's a reraise, it's a min raise up to 3x reraise, not instant all in. But as in all poker strategy, this is not all inclusive. I just didn't think I needed to say that because its said in just about every post regarding situational strategy.
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yea i was talking postflop, not against a preflop all in reraise
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Robb
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02-27-2008, 01:13 PM
Post subject: Re: what i learned about 10nl in the last 1k hands.........
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Originally Posted by frosst
when ur image is TA/A and you lead out w/ flopped 2pr (or check/raise) and your opp reraises all in (with the reraise being more than 3x your bet)........your 2pr is no good. Feel free to learn from my mistake |
except when some donk over plays his AA on a JT3 flop vs your JT. Generic rules like these can lose you as much as they can save you. |
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I've been amazed that so many folks try to follow certain guides and poker "rules" relentlessly, blindly. It probably held me back for a long time, but one reason I've been improving a lot lately is that I've always read a lot from different people but ONLY used what makes sense for my game. I like the original post, 'cuz this happens a fair bit.
By the way, I love rants and I enjoy posts that use words like "never" and "always" because (A) I'm not likely to actually "always" or "never" do something at poker and (B) it makes it clear that 90% of the time or more this is a trouble spot. I like thinking about trouble spots when I'm away from the tables, hoping to come across some good thoughts for what the hell to do when they com eup.
But you're right - when we post something like "never call a preflop UTG raise and button rr from the SB with AJo," someone out there reads it and adds it to his/her "Top 1,728 Rules of Poker." But what if the UTG player is weak-tight and will probably lay it down? And what if the button player is a maniac who we know will rr w/ J2 soooted? We need to be thinking every second at the poker table, not playing by "rules" and "guides."
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kmind
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02-27-2008, 01:24 PM
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make reads on them as they don't have any on you.
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Pythonic
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At 10NL people push a lot on two toned boards. 2 pr on the flop is usually good 70% of the time.
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lean86
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Its read dependant. If you've got the top two pairs on the table, its pretty hard not to call a shove. Actually, its read dependant, math dependant, pre-flop action dependant...
The only way i could see myself beat is if the guy had a pocket pair and hit his set, but that happens 1 out of 7-8 times and its pretty hard for you to tell aswell. So like Pythonic said, your two pair is really good most of the time, since 2 pr is pretty much an "undercover" hand itself.
On a A-10-9 board when you have A-T, someone can be shoving with A-K after you bet it, for instance.
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littleogre
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doesn't sound much different then 2 or 5 nl
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kmind
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Its read dependant. If you've got the top two pairs on the table, its pretty hard not to call a shove. Actually, its read dependant, math dependant, pre-flop action dependant...
The only way i could see myself beat is if the guy had a pocket pair and hit his set, but that happens 1 out of 7-8 times and its pretty hard for you to tell aswell. So like Pythonic said, your two pair is really good most of the time, since 2 pr is pretty much an "undercover" hand itself.
On a A-10-9 board when you have A-T, someone can be shoving with A-K after you bet it, for instance. |
I agree with you until you give your example. You say "pre-flop dependant" and then say we should stack off on an AT9 board because he can have AK. And yes this is read dependent, but you will see AK 3-betting a shit ton preflop and we should veeeeeeeeery rarely be calling with AT preflop to any raise.
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