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dalecooper
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01-18-2005, 07:01 PM
Post subject: What is a good % of flops seen for a tight player?
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,107
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What is a good % of flops seen for a tight player? I am trying to tighten up a bit because I get tired of the radical swings of my somewhat loose online game. I haven't kept track of this historically. My current session has run about 3 hours, and it shows 26% flops seen out of 183 hands. Is the sample size too small? I feel like I've been playing pretty tight - basically following the guidelines from Harrington's hold 'em book, and Harrington isn't called "[No-]Action Dan" for nothin'. But maybe I'm just getting better than usual hands? I also suspect that the tables I've been on have something to do with it. The environment is a little loose/passive so I'm getting in from the blinds more often than usual (but often folding to the first flop bet).
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 2,361
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If you're seeing >25% you want to know pretty much for sure that
-opps are looser than that
-your postflop skills are at least as good as theirs
I personally don't believe in a hard and fast "this is how many flops you should see in order to be good" mentality. You need to know why you're seeing each flop that you see -- if that's the case 100% is acceptable 
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Waggho
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 260
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I always end up at about 27 % flops seen. I consider this tight compared to my tables (which usually have ~50 % of players seeing the flop) so I see no reason of tightening that up.
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,107
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I wonder about that. It seems like the tables I'm on, usually 3-4 people see each flop. Sometimes you get one on one, and occasionally everyone folds to one big raise, but probably eight hands per orbit have at least 3 callers. Even a 3X BB raise will usually get three other callers. So I must be tighter than the table most of the time.
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SteveO
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 755
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I'll run 2-3 tables and see 18-22% usually. This is over 200-600 hands sometimes more.
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Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!
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Waggho
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 260
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Maybe you should be tighter with hands like KJ and looser with hands like AXs.
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Riverwreckage
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I've seen you on a few 25 PL tables on party and if we are discussing those tables, then I would say 26% is about right. If you are anything like me with table selection then you'll be picking the tables with a average pot size on the high side and I figure higher average pot size equals looser play. Against these loose players being too tight makes you lose out on many opportunities. This is just my opnion though.. and I have no evidence to support it. 
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