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Off5th
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03-02-2006, 02:50 AM
Post subject: what is +EV here...
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Raising with suited connectors after 2 limpers in front of you or call with suited connectors after 2 limpers ahead of you???
.....Think about this now, if you were to just limp in with SC when at least two players limped ahead of you and the flop comes and you hit a big draw or two pair. Your last to act and everyone has checked to you...If have the two pair, you bet and all fold. If you have a draw, you check on the flop getting a free card and you make your hand on the turn. Both players check to you again and you bet, they fold.
The issue here is the dead money on the flop. If both players ahead of you missed the flop completely most of the time they'll check. Leaving you with nothing but just a cheap pot. However if you raise at least 3X the big blind preflop...most of the time those two callers will call giving you a decent pot on the flop. Even if you missed completely with your SC and its checked to you a 1/2 to 3/4 size bet here gives you a chance to steal a decent pot. Well of course IMO. Anyone has a different one?
Oh and I forgot to mention. What about calling with SC from LP when there's one raise 3 or 4 times the BB and get one caller ahead of you.
Is it more profitable than two players limping in preflop??
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strawman
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03-02-2006, 06:21 AM
Post subject: Re: what is +EV here...
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Raising with suited connectors after 2 limpers in front of you or call with suited connectors after 2 limpers ahead of you??? ... Your last to act and everyone has checked to you...
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What about the people behind you? Your question is phrased in such a way that suggest everyone else folds. If you just limp in than so can the SB and the BB can just check so you are probably unlikely to have just two others in the pot. If you raise, what is your plan if one of the limpers is sitting on a big pocket pair hoping for a raise behind them or one of the blinds catches a good hand?
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Off5th
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Ok well the scenario is that your usually from the button or even cutoff. Maybe even HJ at sometimes. Anyways if there are more than 4 players post flop and its checked to me I'll glady check if i missed the flop because its a lot harder C-betting here when there are more than 3 players postflop. If I get two limpers ahead of me from HJ position and I raise 3x bb and somehow the button reraises 8x my raise then i'll be strong enough to lay my hand down when it comes back to me.
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SinkRox
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Anyways if there are more than 4 players post flop and its checked to me I'll glady check if i missed the flop
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When I started out I felt exactly the same, but belive me theres alot of small pots out there for sale. If its a limped pot preflop and im last to act, I bet the pot when its checked to me about 80% of the time. Its best to do this when the board isnt very draw heavy - the steal is more likely and you'll be less tempted to fire a second barrel on the turn if you get called and feel op was on a draw.
If theres weak tighties in the blinds and its folded to me on the button, I sometimes limp any two, with the sole intention of a delayed steal on the flop when its checked to me and i can rep a hand (top pair). To me this play is alot easier and less risky than stealing the blinds with the classic PFR and Cont Bets.
Also, if its checked to you on the flop and your last to act with a drawing hand - then deffinatly bet out, nice bet nr pot or pot. Always! This is pretty much abc play. You have a chance to pick it up then and there, and disguise your hand if your called. You may have to take ops and general table into account with this move, if theyre calling stations it may be more worthwhile to just juice the pot up with a 1/3 pot bet.
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m3laNcholy
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03-02-2006, 06:22 PM
Post subject: Re: what is +EV here...
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Raising with suited connectors after 2 limpers in front of you or call with suited connectors after 2 limpers ahead of you?
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Depends on the limpers your image and... how good you are.
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Oh and I forgot to mention. What about calling with SC from LP when there's one raise 3 or 4 times the BB and get one caller ahead of you.
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Thats how I make most of my money! Suited one gappers are goot too.
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Fnord
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03-02-2006, 06:25 PM
Post subject: Re: what is +EV here...
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Originally Posted by m3laNcholy
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Oh and I forgot to mention. What about calling with SC from LP when there's one raise 3 or 4 times the BB and get one caller ahead of you.
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Thats how I make most of my money! Suited one gappers are goot too. |
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