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NewJack33
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02-13-2005, 08:41 PM
Post subject: What to do in this situation?
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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I ran into a situation today where I had AKo, the flop was 2 low spades and a Kc. People started checking, I bet, they called, then on the turn an As drops and the guy before me bets... I pause and think for a bit and choose to fold thinking he's probably made his flush, but now wonder if I made the right decision or if I should have called (or even raised just to get a better idea about the strength of his hand, since if I called I would probably be calling at the river too.) But maybe he had a pair of aces and a lower pair and I should have kept going.
Would appreciate some experienced advice about what should be the right play in this type of situation.
Thanks in advance.
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archangel183
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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How much did you bet, pre and post flop?
I would have bet it hard (pot-sized or above) after the flop, to represent TPTK.
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NewJack33
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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i was playing micro limit (.02/.04) and it was when the betting rose to .04 that the guy made a bet before me, right after the 3rd spade (As) dropped. Could be he thought he had highest pair, caught 2 pair, or made his flush, but
I just didn't have enough info to know which.
So should I have raised his .04 bet to send him a message, just call and see what comes on the river, or fold? i had top 2 pair, but if he had the flush, i'd be out at least another 2 big bets. About 5 people stuck it out until the turn, and the pot may have been at 20 cents until that guy's bet.
Sorry I didn't provide that info earlier. I had AK, early position, just called so I could see what others would do, and to see the flop (been burned a number of times raising with AA/AK off the bat only not to hit on the flop.) After the flop, I had high pair with ace kicker, but called because of the 2 spades, i wanted to see the turn before committing, but the 3rd spade dropped and the guy bet, so I had to make a decision... the other cards were low and i didn't see a straight happening.
Later, when I observed his play, i didn't catch him bluffing. He usually had something that made it worthwhile to continue further. Regardless, I still don't know if I made the right play. Maybe I should have just went in hard the rest of the way with my aa kk anyway.
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rdqlus
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Raise 4x BB pre-flop (probably even more since you're at micro-limits). Bet the pot on that flop everytime. TPTK is probably the best hand at that point - if you don't bet then you'll probably get drawn out on everytime which is likely what happenned when the :As: fell on the turn.
If he calls your pot size bet on the flop and then didn't bet the turn very hard I'd probably call it (or re-raise him to a pot-sized bet) and hope for a full-house on the river. You likely wouldn't have the odds for that draw but the implied odds could be there if he thinks his flush is good.
You need way more aggression in your game.
mj
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NewJack33
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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assuming he had a couple of spades already, and considering that it's limit .02/.04 table where all i could do was raise to .08, i don't know if that would have been enough to get him not to go further. i don't know if i made clear this wasn't NL or not.
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Originally Posted by rdqlus
Raise 4x BB pre-flop (probably even more since you're at micro-limits). Bet the pot on that flop everytime. TPTK is probably the best hand at that point - if you don't bet then you'll probably get drawn out on everytime which is likely what happenned when the :As: fell on the turn.
If he calls your pot size bet on the flop and then didn't bet the turn very hard I'd probably call it (or re-raise him to a pot-sized bet) and hope for a full-house on the river. You likely wouldn't have the odds for that draw but the implied odds could be there if he thinks his flush is good.
You need way more aggression in your game.
mj
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FyrFytr998
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Originally Posted by NewJack33
So should I have raised his .04 bet to send him a message.
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Be nice Rip. Not all of us have 10k handy. And all of you that do can kiss my lily white ass. 
I would have raised and called to the river. I doubt he made his flush.
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giantdogs92
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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thats a tough situation
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JeffreyGB
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Guys, re-read his response. He's playing limit. Perhaps we should have this moved to the limit strat forum?
I'd recommend betting back at that .04, but that's just my thought on it (and I'm not an experienced limit player). You were the only bettor on the flop, right?
- Jeffrey
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by NewJack33
I had AK, early position, just called so I could see what others would do, and to see the flop (been burned a number of times raising with AA/AK off the bat only not to hit on the flop.) After the flop, I had high pair with ace kicker, but called because of the 2 spades, i wanted to see the turn before committing, but the 3rd spade dropped and the guy bet, so I had to make a decision... the other cards were low and i didn't see a straight happening.
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I see. Well, whether you should have folded or not is really hard to tell with the complete lack of information you had. You should have bet preflop. With the flush draw there, you ABSOLUTELY should have bet the flop, whether it was you entering the pot first or reraising, as it gives anyone else left to bet worse odds to call (the only exception to this would be if the whole table had already called around to you and there would be noone left to scare off the hand). I'd still bet that flop for value though.
- Jeffrey
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gregor
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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alot of times a bet after a flush card comes out is informational....might be looking for a 1 card flush to hit on the river, might have top pair....
I would have called...still had 4 outs to improve if you were on the ass end at that point...
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