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AFchung
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01-15-2009, 07:54 PM
Post subject: What boards are we cbetting when checked to?
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Recently I've noticed I've been getting check raised a bit more often, so I was wondering which boards should I check back and see a free turn card?
Often they'll lead the turn and i'll have just 2 overs, so if i don't improve by the turn i have to fold
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kb coolman
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It's villan specific, IMO. If villan is doing it quite a bit, I'll three bet him with mid pair or better. Drawy boards are a good spot too, if he likes to chase with odds. Just make sure your re-raise makes it a mistake for him to call.
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Illfavor
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Sauce123's video talks about this (along with his guide and 3betting. Higher stakes I know but range-specific concepts apply to all levels). Check it out if you haven't, as it is really amazing!
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RoyalProdigy
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
It's villan specific, IMO. If villan is doing it quite a bit, I'll three bet him with mid pair or better. Drawy boards are a good spot too, if he likes to chase with odds. Just make sure your re-raise makes it a mistake for him to call.
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I couldnt say it better myself. You have to get him to back off by pushing back a bit.
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d0zer
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Think about villain's calling range, and how it hit the board.
Here I'm talking about situations where we were the preflop opener in say MP or LP, and get called by the blinds.
If villain is a 11/9 reg who calls 3% of PFR's, then he's pretty much only calling with low pocket pairs, (3betting higher PPs often) so when the board comes KQ3, you're safe to c-bet the vast majority of the time.
Now take a 30/4 who calls 10% of PFRs. His range is filled with random broadways, so I'd be less inclined to c-bet that board, especially since he's likely to call OOP with 2nd pair.
In general, the best boards are something like A22, KK4, K52 rainbow where villain isn't likely to hit and you can represent having hit the broadway on board. The worst boards are JT9 two-toned/monotone. The more coordinated the worse (in general).
But really you've got to think about how likely villain's range was to hit, and what range villain is likely to continue with, how FOS he thinks you are, how loose he is etc...
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AFchung
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Originally Posted by Illfavor
Sauce123's video talks about this (along with his guide and 3betting. Higher stakes I know but range-specific concepts apply to all levels). Check it out if you haven't, as it is really amazing!
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-v...deo-NHC023.php
is this the video you were referring to?
and could you link me to the guide? i'm not sure where to find it 
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kettleofish
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It's linked in the SHNL digest. There are also a couple of video's of jeffGB putting this strategy into action in the video library.
Do bare in mind tho that both the guide and the video's were made long before HEM and the holy grail of 3-bet stats 
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hangchiong
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i think setting the filter on HEM would be great.
c-bet flop filter or something like that and go through those hands where you committed 10-15bb cbetting.
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Micro2Macro
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01-16-2009, 01:16 AM
Post subject: Re: What boards are we cbetting when checked to?
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Originally Posted by AFchung
Recently I've noticed I've been getting check raised a bit more often, so I was wondering which boards should I check back and see a free turn card?
Often they'll lead the turn and i'll have just 2 overs, so if i don't improve by the turn i have to fold
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Your probably just going through a little swing where your running into lots of sets or whatever. Accept your beat, microstakes players typically don't check raise bluff - although check raise semi bluffing isn't absent. If you see a guy doing it often, call down with your top pair/overpair or raise back - especially if there are draws. You'll notice the guys who check raise semi bluff within 100 hands or so most likely, because you'll have seen them check raise multiple times. Make a note on them and adjust when your heads up.
If a 24/3 limp/caller with almost 0 aggression check raises you your 100% beat unless you have top set. Keep an eye out on your opponenets HUD stats and adjust accordingly.
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Sir Pawnalot
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I found that at micro stakes the turn is a better street to bluff.
Get information on flop and act upon that on turn.
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