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altruist
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11-04-2009, 06:00 AM
Post subject: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Two Pair
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I've noticed on several questions on 2+2 forums, there tends to be a lot of people answering who aren't really experienced or don't really know what they're talking about.
You often get short answers like "snap call" "easy fold" "easy shove" without any explanation. And very often, they're generally the wrong move.
I've played texas hold'em on and off for a few years now, and to date have NEVER lost money at it. (Went below my initial investment)
I'd answer any questions you have in this thread, and will explain to you why it's the correct move. That is the difference between someone who actually knows poker, and just some random possible losing player giving you an answer.
And if I don't know enough to answer, I'll tell you. No poker player knows everything, and those who act like they do often are giving wrong advice.
Basically this is a thread for beginning players to ask questions without the 'noise' they often get from other threads.
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JKDS
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Full House
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If you're going to join a site, and then make a post like this which basically says "MY ADVICE IS SUPERIOR TO YOURS" you better damn well say something to back that up.
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kiwiMark
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JKDS you fool, HE NEVER LOST MONEY, what more back-up could you need.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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I agree to a degree. Here in the BC I'd prefer people put a bit more info/explanation in their answers. In the SHNL forum its not as neccessary since people should be smart enough to work out WHY once they're given the answer (and motivated enough to ask if they can't).
2+2 suffers mainly from an abundance of people who give crap advice though. We dont avoid that here, but less people means less crap and its easier to learn who knows their stuff.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
...Whether you feel qualified to comment on posts/threads isn't the requirement. You will benefit just as much from giving incorrect advice, and being corrected, as the OP of the thread would benefit from you giving correct advice. Poker is never 100% cut/dry, and it's because of this debates about certain decisions are good. You being another well thought out side to the debate can not hurt in any way, even if your side ends up incorrect.
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Da GOAT
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11-04-2009, 08:45 AM
Post subject: Re: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by altruist
I've noticed on several questions on 2+2 forums, there tends to be a lot of people answering who aren't really experienced or don't really know what they're talking about.
You often get short answers like "snap call" "easy fold" "easy shove" without any explanation. And very often, they're generally the wrong move.
I've played texas hold'em on and off for a few years now, and to date have NEVER lost money at it. (Went below my initial investment)
I'd answer any questions you have in this thread, and will explain to you why it's the correct move. That is the difference between someone who actually knows poker, and just some random possible losing player giving you an answer.
And if I don't know enough to answer, I'll tell you. No poker player knows everything, and those who act like they do often are giving wrong advice.
Basically this is a thread for beginning players to ask questions without the 'noise' they often get from other threads.
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From your replies to threads so far it shows you are a beginner. Not saying you are spam but you obv think you are really really good when you arent good at all. This is a common trait in beginners.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Welcome to FTR. The best seats in the BC are in the middle of the circle.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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altruist
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11-04-2009, 06:12 PM
Post subject: Re: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Two Pair
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
From your replies to threads so far it shows you are a beginner. Not saying you are spam but you obv think you are really really good when you arent good at all. This is a common trait in beginners.
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That is fair. I don't think I'm really good actually, but I do think I'm better than the average player.
There's a saying lurking around that 90% of people lose money at poker, only 10% actually profit. Meaning it's not that hard (in a way) to be better than the average player.
I'm curious though, from your post you're saying you disagree with some of my replies? Which ones and why?
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LawDude
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11-04-2009, 06:18 PM
Post subject: Re: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Full House
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That is fair. I don't think I'm really good actually, but I do think I'm better than the average player.
There's a saying lurking around that 90% of people lose money at poker, only 10% actually profit. Meaning it's not that hard (in a way) to be better than the average player.
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So you lose less money than about 50 percent of poker players but more money than another approximately 40 percent of them as well as the 10 percent who win, right?
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jyms
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11-04-2009, 06:56 PM
Post subject: Re: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Tilting Mod
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Originally Posted by altruist
There's a saying lurking around that 90% of people lose money at poker, only 10% actually profit. Meaning it's not that hard (in a way) to be better than the average player.
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Would you agree that the 10% of players that are winning players tend to spend time educating themselves and visit forums read books and regularly contribute to discussions like this. Do you understand that you came to a forum with less than .01% of all poker players and a large supply of professional players actually making a living playing this game. The 90% that you think you are better than will never come to a poker forum or read a poker book so I don't see why you would think you have something to offer as opposed to learn from FTR. It's good that you learned about 2+2 though.
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altruist
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Two Pair
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I never implied I have nothing to learn from FTR, to say so would not only be arrogant, it'd be plain dumb on my part. There is no poker player out there who knows everything there is to know about the game.
Nor am I thinking that I know more than most players on here.
I do however, think I know more than the average player willing to take time and reply to micro stake players. The experienced players often only reply in the higher stake forums, or only the occasional question here. Someone up here mentioned they saw a few of my posts, and thought I was a beginner, but he did not reply to any of the original posts until he decided to look me up and see what threads I've replied to, despite them being fairly old posts. Which proves my point.
The purpose of my post, was when I asked several questions on 2+2, I often got only answers from people who seemed to know less than I did. My intention with this post was not to say "hey, I know better than you" but rather to help people avoid what I had to go through. I can only imagine a less experienced player taking advice like "snap calling" top pair weak kicker for their entire 100BB stack, without any explanation as to why.
I'm a winning micro stakes player. I have grinded my BR from nothing but freerolls to well over a thousand dollars. That does NOT mean I know everything about micros, I still find myself sometimes in tough spots. It does, however, mean for those who aren't profiting at micros, I have advice I'm willing to share.
It's better than getting advice from people who can't beat micros.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Obv we see your point. Posting an answer without logic is rarely helpful, because it's a lack of, or flawed, logic that led to the hand being posted in the first place.
And sure, more advice from winning players is a good thing. But there are quite a few winning players posting here on almost a daily basis.
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Da GOAT
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Straight Flush
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im not trying to berate you, all is cool. welcome to the forums
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Straight
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11-05-2009, 12:26 AM
Post subject: Re: Want advice from an experienced winning player?
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by altruist
I've noticed on several questions on 2+2 forums, there tends to be a lot of people answering who aren't really experienced or don't really know what they're talking about.
You often get short answers like "snap call" "easy fold" "easy shove" without any explanation. And very often, they're generally the wrong move.
I've played texas hold'em on and off for a few years now, and to date have NEVER lost money at it. (Went below my initial investment)
I'd answer any questions you have in this thread, and will explain to you why it's the correct move. That is the difference between someone who actually knows poker, and just some random possible losing player giving you an answer.
And if I don't know enough to answer, I'll tell you. No poker player knows everything, and those who act like they do often are giving wrong advice.
Basically this is a thread for beginning players to ask questions without the 'noise' they often get from other threads.
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From your replies to threads so far it shows you are a beginner. Not saying you are spam but you obv think you are really really good when you arent good at all. This is a common trait in beginners. |
LOL SOOOOOOOOOO good oh soo good hahahahahaha
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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This doesnt need to become some troll thread for bored posters. Guy seemed to come here to make a genuine contribution.
Rather than create a dedicated thread though, just respond to peoples answers and keep an open mind when other posters disagree.
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Just playing to improve.
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