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JonBoy
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01-05-2006, 10:22 PM
Post subject: Waisting my Monsters when hunting the hunter.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: UT USA (Gentile)
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FTR,
I apologize If this has allready been addressed. If so, please just tell me the topics title and I'll check it out.
My questions are,
When I get get a killer hand pre-flop (for example: Cowboys or Aces), how do i maximize the pot without spooking off everyone. And also keep the action small enough to keep me at an strong advantage? (Especially Under the Gun, but also with the button) What about when it's not a make pre flop. for example: Big Slick? Or a suited Queen and Jack
It seems like a shame when everyone mucks to me too early, and even worse when i follow someone into a trap with my "sure winner" thinking that their the fish.
Thanks,
JonBoy
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Warpe
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Read this recent thread...think it'll help:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...487&highlight=
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DBL0SVN
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Straight
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Play them hard and fast. Don't worry if you only take the blinds - you still made money right ?
AA or KK are only monsters PREflop - so get as money as you can then. On the flop they are strong, but you have to watch the texture of the board. Q85o is a much better flop for you than JJT for instance. If the betting is still strong on the turn and river then your AA or KK don't look so good. At the end of the day, the are still just a pair!
If you want to trap the big stacks at your table, better to wait until a pp makes a set or you hit a well concealed straight - these are the hands that will rake in the BIG pots. You just have to be patient.
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JonBoy
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Thank you both,
Jon
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donkbee
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WELP
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Your odds to win drop every time someone else calls and stays in the hand. You are most likely to win when you are heads up. Raise with the intention to isolate.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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TLR
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Its better to win a small pot then lose a big one, raise them preflop in whatever is the standard raise in the table, and hope for one caller.
You should consider slowplaying preflop only if you are UTG and the table is aggressive, then you may limp and reraise.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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When walking the line between betting too little and getting multiple callers and betting too much and scaring away any action it's typically best to err on the side of betting too much.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Lukie
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01-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Post subject: Re: Waisting my Monsters when hunting the hunter.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by JonBoy
FTR,
I apologize If this has allready been addressed. If so, please just tell me the topics title and I'll check it out.
My questions are,
When I get get a killer hand pre-flop (for example: Cowboys or Aces), how do i maximize the pot without spooking off everyone. And also keep the action small enough to keep me at an strong advantage? (Especially Under the Gun, but also with the button) What about when it's not a make pre flop. for example: Big Slick? Or a suited Queen and Jack
It seems like a shame when everyone mucks to me too early, and even worse when i follow someone into a trap with my "sure winner" thinking that their the fish.
Thanks,
JonBoy
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Just make your normal preflop raise when you have a huge hand and just see what develops. If you win blind money, well, you win blind money  . I have found that I am not at all dissapointed when I hold a hand like AK-AQ, make a 4x raise, and it gets folded around to. KK-AA makes me smile and I shake my head. A hand like QJs I would be very careful of because it is so easily dominated. For a beginner in a full ring game, I would only consider playing it limping behind other limpers, or opening for a raise when folded around to late position. Hitting a Q or a J is a mixed blessing and it has much weaker straight value then the other suited connectors.
As far as playing under the gun with a huge hand (only KK/AA qualify for this), when you make your opening raise, you will notice a trend. Your range is (and should be) fairly small from this position so it's easy for players to peg you, so often times you will just win the blinds (might want to find a new table if this happens consistently, but I like playing in all kinds of table environments to better me as a player), sometimes you will get called by a smaller PP and get destacked, once in a while you will win a massive pot, and you will often win small pots. As long as you play them correctly though (don't play them in such a way where you are obviously encouraging action), it's a positive investment in your bankroll.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Full House
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Never slowplay AA/KK and with QQ/AKs/AKo/AQs you want to make sure you get it HU or 3 way at worst.You goal is to have someone hang themselves with a smaller premium PP when you have AA/KK and try to destack them then.
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