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07-17-2007, 06:10 PM
Post subject: vs aggressive player
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Villian is very aggressive willing to bet at pots on flop and turn even when he misses. I place him on AK, AQ, AJ, AT, maybe KQ. How did I do? would you do anything different?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($18.10)
UTG ($52.25)
MP ($50.75)
Hero ($73.25)
SB ($101.65)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K .
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.
Flop: ($4.75) 8 , 9, 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.
On flop I was not very affraid of villian holding suited cards or anything low for a straight. I figured I can call here and hope for no A or maybe a K, Q, or J to hit his holding, giving me another turn bet from him
Turn: ($10.75) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $13.
River: ($50.75) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $27.25 (All-In), Hero ?
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PapalRage
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i think you played this hand way too passively all the way through. Trickiness is way overrated at 50nl and flat calling with KK preflop can get u in a lot of difficult situations. I think you need to RR pre and raise on the flop. As played, i think u have to call with the 2nd nut flush and hope he has the :Qh:
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ndultimate.
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Fnord
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pgil
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flat calling like that is just asking for the blinds to come along, then you are in a 4 way pot against unknown hands, which is bad. You have the button at least, but I know I have one hell of a time letting go of KK, so I usually try to play them a little harder.
may be missing some value, but I try to keep things simple as opposed to a murky hard decision with a big but vulnerable hand.
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raise PF to $6, raise flop, instacall river
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jyms
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I'd quote ISF but that would just be redundent.
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with KK, you HAVE to RR pf....even if light. you need to see YOUR raise get called or shoved over.
if you call, you have no clue what you are up against.
if he's truly aggro, you need to bust the flop, too. he will call a raise with a draw...so, take away his odds to do so profitably...if he decides to push over on the flop as a 3bet...call...get it in asap.
and, as played, the river is a must call. if he has the Ah, well, thats when you kick yourself for letting it happen.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Find out what's funny and earn $2 on PS
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wufwugy
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wufwugy
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WHERES MY TWO DOLLARS
HURRY THAT SHITS UPPPPPPPPP
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bjsaust
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Bugger. Too slow.
bet waldo raise
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Just playing to improve.
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Beck
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sorry guys but u do not re-raise KK everytime. you have to make some calls here and there. you have to keep villians guessing. Now if you have such a read on a player how could u fault my flop and turn moves. you are missing value by just raising and running him off everytime.
So what do i get by re-raising on the flop? the only card I am scared of is an A, anything else could only help me.
now the turn was something I need to raise with cause now I do not want to give him any free cards.
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-Beck
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Lithium
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I don't agree. You always raise KK preflop, and if the flop is any kind of danger and not an Ace, get it all in right there.
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Originally Posted by Beck
sorry guys but u do not re-raise KK everytime. you have to make some calls here and there. you have to keep villians guessing. Now if you have such a read on a player how could u fault my flop and turn moves. you are missing value by just raising and running him off everytime.
So what do i get by re-raising on the flop? the only card I am scared of is an A, anything else could only help me.
now the turn was something I need to raise with cause now I do not want to give him any free cards.
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Big hands = big pots so you need to build one while you're ahead.
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cobere
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Always reraise KK preflop and hope to show it down so in the future you can occasionally reraise T9s and take it down.
I do understand what you are saying about sometimes calling, but I don't think this is a good spot. The primary reason not to flat call here is that it lets the blinds come in relatively cheap, like pgil said. If they both call, you're in a bad spot, so in this case you're reraising to isolate, in addition to all the other reasons.
If perhaps you had KK in the BB, and nobody else called the preflop raiser, you could flat call for deception purposes, but I would still reraise most of the time for value.
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Beck
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Originally Posted by cobere
Always reraise KK preflop and hope to show it down so in the future you can occasionally reraise T9s and take it down.
I do understand what you are saying about sometimes calling, but I don't think this is a good spot. The primary reason not to flat call here is that it lets the blinds come in relatively cheap, like pgil said. If they both call, you're in a bad spot, so in this case you're reraising to isolate, in addition to all the other reasons.
If perhaps you had KK in the BB, and nobody else called the preflop raiser, you could flat call for deception purposes, but I would still reraise most of the time for value.
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I like your response
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flyingPenguin
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Originally Posted by Beck
sorry guys but u do not re-raise KK everytime. you have to make some calls here and there. you have to keep villians guessing.
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You keep the villains guessing by reraising a wider range.
Also, you need to get a read on what he does when you reraise. If he's always calling, then reraise a larger amount. If he's always folding to a reraise do a lesser amount more often. If you reraise and c-bet, does he fold? You might as well get this information when you have a hand you're willing to get it all in with.
I think you played the flop and turn OK if he'll always bet when you show weakness and fold when you show aggression, but not otherwise.
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gingerwizard
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Yeah as the others said, 3 betting KK preflop is a must which is why we open up our 3bet range so that when we do it opponents can't automatically put us on QQ+.
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