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cocolaja
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05-21-2006, 01:33 PM
Post subject: VP$IP and autorate player
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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just wondering... what would be considered high and what is considered low... and for people using poker tracker... anyone got a good rule for autorate player?
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geoffm33
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05-21-2006, 01:47 PM
Post subject: Re: VP$IP and autorate player
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 166
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Originally Posted by cocolaja
just wondering... what would be considered high and what is considered low... and for people using poker tracker... anyone got a good rule for autorate player?
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Check out this:
http://www.bet-the-pot.com/index.php...position=26:26
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,910
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I currently use Poker Office. That being said, I let it display VP$IP, PFR and agression factor. (and amount of hands I have on said player, to see how accurate it is)
Preliminary results:
VP$IP: over 50% means they're a donk usually. Possible calling station. If it's really low, like below 20%, they're a nit. Note this is 6max I am talking about, it might vary in 10max. Somewhere between 25-40% means they could be a decent player.
PFR: This doesn't say as much about the player as VP$IP imo. It just gives you an idea about the respect you should have for their raises. The range you can put them on, so to speak. If their PFR is 3.1% or something, they're really only raising their monsters (AA/KK/QQ/AK). If it's 25%, then they're raising one out of every 4 hands.. so their range is huge.
postflop aggression factor: Sadly, I haven't been to get any useful information on a player based on this. Whether it's high or low, dunno, I haven't seen any strong correlation with their playstyle or skill level, or any useful predictive elements. You'd think that a higher aggression factor would mean they c-bet or bluff more, but this isn't consistent with my experience at all. If anyone has been able to use this parameter in a useful way, I'd be more than happy to hear about it!
I have now added Flop-Turn%.. I'm going to see if this adds some predictive value about my opponents. I'm mainly looking to see if it can be used to single out calling stations better. (which I would expect to have a high % here)
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geoffm33
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05-21-2006, 02:00 PM
Post subject: Re: VP$IP and autorate player
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 166
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Originally Posted by geoffm33
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Originally Posted by cocolaja
just wondering... what would be considered high and what is considered low... and for people using poker tracker... anyone got a good rule for autorate player?
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Check out this:
http://www.bet-the-pot.com/index.php...position=26:26 |
Forgot to mention, somewhere on that site you can dowload an auto-rate file so you don't have to manually enter the auto-rate parameters.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I forgot to mention, I turned the autorate off.. I mean, I rather know their exact VP$IP and PFR than just if they're "tight aggressive". I mean, there's a big difference between PFR 8% and PFR 1%.. the latter only raises AA/KK! The former raises a lot more, like AK/AQ etc too.
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