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Sasquach991

06-04-2009, 02:33 PM Post subject: Video of My 5NL Games Last Night

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I posted positional stats and Sugar Nut asked if I had a video of my play. I thought this was a good idea. I added it to the pos stats thread but decided to separate it. I'll delete it from the other post if I need to.

I played about 35 minutes tonight on 2 tables of 5NL.
No audio as I have a worst(or better depending on how you look at it) accent than Spenda

Video was pretty easy to make except for the 3 hour production time after you're finished making it.

Video is located at

http://files.filefront.com/5NL+06030.../fileinfo.html

Here are some hands from the video.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.99)
SB ($9.95)
Hero (BB) ($5.52)
UTG ($10.94)
MP ($1.75)
CO ($4.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

, 8

2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12) 9

, 6

, 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.62) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $4.15 (All-In), Hero calls $3.85

River: ($8.92) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.92 | Rake: $0.40

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($5.18)
Hero (Button) ($11.10)
SB ($1.40)
BB ($5.99)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, J

1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 2

, J

, 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.72) A

(2 players)
BB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

River: ($2.02) K

(2 players)
BB bets $1.55, Hero calls $1.55

Total pot: $5.12 | Rake: $0.25

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($6.92)
Hero (SB) ($6.58)
BB ($1.80)
UTG ($3.88)
MP ($6.78)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 9

UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.50) Q

, 3

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.10) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($1.10) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Total pot: $2.10 | Rake: $0.10

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($5.40)
Button ($8.96)
Hero (SB) ($4.62)
BB ($3.63)
UTG ($4.70)
MP ($3.69)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, A

UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.80) 9

, 2

, 6

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.65, BB calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.65, 1 fold

Turn: ($2.75) 3

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30, UTG raises to $3.85 (All-In), Hero calls $2.47 (All-In), 1 fold

River: ($11.59) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $11.59 | Rake: $0.55

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($7.97)
Hero (MP) ($5.18)
Button ($1.80)
SB ($4.31)
BB ($6.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, K

1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9

, 5

(2 players)
SB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.75) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

River: ($1.15) A

(2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.25

Total pot: $2.15 | Rake: $0.10

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06-04-2009, 04:36 PM

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in hand 1 go ahead and c/r get it in on the flop, lots of turn cards ruin your action if you're ahead and some of them beat you
hand 2 is fine
hand 3 just check it down, it's a bad bluff and a bad value bet
if you wanted to bluff, do it on the turn
hand 4 fine, but with reads I can fold vs. fish who only do this when you're crushed (which is a lot of people at NL5)
hand 5 this is read-dependent
I don't like the minraise
either make a big raise if he does this with a wide range and will call you with any ace...
or if you think this bet sizing is like lol plz pay me off then just call

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06-04-2009, 06:06 PM

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Hand 1: I like betting the flop and fast playing our hand here. If a diamond comes on the turn, it shuts down our action.

Hand 2: I play it the same.

Hand 3: I think I b/f turn. The A is usually a good card to double barrel on. As played, check river.

Hand 4 and 5: What iopq said.

Sasquach991

06-04-2009, 06:47 PM

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Thanks guys. Please watch the video too if you have the time. I got into several spots. You can usually tell as I hesitate.

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06-04-2009, 07:53 PM

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TBH, the video is likely not going to be all that great without audio. One of the best things about a video is you are able to explain your thought process on why you are making decisions, so that not only the hand can be corrected, but all the logic.

knaplek

06-04-2009, 08:57 PM

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Have watched your video and posted thoughts on everything you've done that I would have done differently. You can take everything I say with a pinch of salt as I'm pretty new to cash and probably no better than you, but I hope my comments can still be of use to you.

I know you're trying to loosen up in late position, but do you really think it's profitable to raise junk like J2o on the button? Are you sure the blinds are that nitty?

When you flop the nuts with 58, I would always lead unless I had a really good reason not to (ie villain always overbets when checked to or something). C/cing might catch some bluffs, but when you've got the nuts I reckon you make more chips on the rarer occasions when opponent has a big hand too and you get it all in quickly. Much easier to get someone to stack off with overpairs and stuff on the flop than say a scary turn card. Plus straights can be a little vulnerable as you found :wink: . Oh yeah also I hate the check/minraise on the turn. It basically just tells your opponent you've got a hand without requiring them to put a significant number of chips in the pot to see if they've got you beat.

When you get donked into with AJs (q44 board or something)I'm interested to know why you called? Particularly as you then folded to a really weak turn bet? Did you have a strong read that this player donks weak with draws and even weaker when he hits them? Personally I'd have either raised flop or more likely just folded, even though it seems weak, just because I find players very seldom donk out and when they do they've usually got a hand they don't want to fold. As played I probably raise turn quite hard as the guy seems scared, though obv player dependent.

22 hand on low diamond board, seems like a pretty horrible flop to cbet into two players.

88 hand calling 3bet. It's probably ok to set mine here vs your average 5nl player who's 3betting qq+, AK, but opposition is probably as close as 5nl gets to a decent lag and I don't think you can set mine profitably against him oop. I'd have seriously considered 4betting here or otherwise folded if I was feeling like a wuss but without player reads I can't really fault your play.

Calling utg+1 raise with AJo in CO from 20/16? Wouldn't personally call that, I think you're a little behind his raising range from that position, and there are not many flops you can happily continue on. (Am I a nit? Probably.)

3betting Ajo in blinds vs minraise. Wouldn't do that. Plays horribly vs his 3bet calling range, esp oop. Plus when I 3bet from blinds I would do so more strongly than that, you want to charge people a decent amount to play ip vs your (usually) premium holdings. I'd just take the discount and flat here and have my hand under-repped when I hit top pair, otherwise probably just c/f.

QQ 3bet more than 2.5x - you want value and at 5nl people will call! Plus 3betting so small gives people great implied odds for set mining. Post-flop I also fold. Guess he could be levelling you by folding out the big pockets that make up about half of your 3betting range, but I reckon it's way more likely that he's setted up and is hoping you'll raise him or he's got some ace that he'll tank and call off his stack with.

Q5 on Q66 board, c/r seems horrible, what's he calling you with that's worse than that? I probably c/c and let him bluff into me. Your hand is a bluff catcher, no more. Alternatively I guess you could lead if you think he's got a bunch of mid pockets that would call a couple of bets.

1010, You raise 3x +1per limper right? I raise a bit more than that anyway, but here especially it seems like not enough when they know they can call you and have position. You definitely don't want to play 10s oop vs two players. Once called I never lead this flop into two players, especially with their stationy stats. Just check and if you have the best hand you'll be surprised how often it checks down. More often you don't and you can save money by c/fing.

59 flops nuts: Don't mind the check here nearly so much because
1. He's got a very small stack, so less need to pump the pot
2. full house is way less vulnerable than straight
I probably lead here a lot anyway, but don't know that's necessarily better. As played when you check raise put him all in! He only has to call about 60% as often if you do this for it to be better and I reckon he's calling probably just as much. If anything he might be more likely to call because you might conceivably bluff like that but you would never bluff by raising so little. I hate to see these tiny check/raises because:
a. You get very little value
b. You can't really bluff with them so they're really unbalanced.

AA in sb: Raise more! You've got a big hand, you want value! You don't want loads of people getting in cheap in position with great implied odds against your tight sb raising range. Postflop I probably bet more on both streets on such a scary board with 2 players behind. Really wanted to fold turn after call and ship over but I guess I would probably have called for pot odds. Obv having seen results I really hope I would have!

K9o seems pretty light to raise a utg player but I guess fine if he's been limp/folding a lot or calling and c/fing flop; haven't really been paying him enough attention to know.

77 hand when he donks min, I guess you can raise or call, just as you'd cbet or check through, but I'd raise more so as to actually fold out better hands sometimes (although I was surprised to see your small raise did in fact work). I'm interested in the contrast between raising 77, which actually has some sd value, and calling the donk lead with AJ in the third hand I've talked about which has pretty much none.

88 next hand is almost a carbon copy, and again I don't like the small raise. When you hit the 8 I like the betsize of .6 for turn and .9 for river, should keep in some dead flush draws and stuff, and maybe let him think he has FE to shove over.

A10 - leading a gutshot into 4 players? You need them to fold a lot for this to be good, and I don't see why you think they will on this board. Plus, implied odds are crap if they call since 2 of them only have a dollar behind.

AK seems weak to fold flop with 10 probably outs. Guess it's not terrible if you're sure he always has a queen or better, but in position and deep I'm pretty sure you can continue profitably. Whether you call or raise is obviously read based.

AJ two pair hand is kind of nasty but his line just reeks of a donk with a monster. When else has he had the balls to make strong bets like this? I think you can safely fold river. (Not just results based, I made myself decide that one before you called. Would I have been that disciplined myself? I hope so but I can't be certain to be honest.)

76 bvb, probably peel a street with second pair, don't know if that's good, kind of irrelevant hand I guess.

So that's it. Sorry for marathon post. Also sorry if I come across as overtly critical; only really talked about things I disagreed with! Also as a general theme I just bet more than you do, pretty much all the time. (By which I mean amount not frequency). Obviously I think my way is better or I wouldn't do it, but I may be wrong.

Keith

06-04-2009, 09:09 PM

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Having watched the video my main comment :

WHY DON'T YOU USE THE NOTES BOX.

I didn't see you take a single note throughout the whole video, there were guys min 3betting AJo , who was 4bet by AK. Another general theme I saw was you raising pre , cbetting , then folding, its no wonder your red line is dropping like a stone , anyone observing may have picked up that you fold on the turn and river a lot on non dangerous boards so they may think they can push you off your hand.

Sasquach991

06-05-2009, 12:23 AM

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knaplek,
Thanks for the detailed analysis. Helps alot.

Keith,
True, I didn't take notes. I don't take as many as I should.
"...fold on the turn and river a lot on non dangerous boards..."
Which ones? I do fold alot.

XxStacksxX,
I'll put audio in the next one. This was more of a test to see if it worked. My computer's ancient so I thought it would suck my resources dry and I'd have to stop it.

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06-05-2009, 03:34 AM

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wtf why did you c/c the 58

Sasquach991

06-05-2009, 05:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

wtf why did you c/c the 58

tard?

That's why I asked for help. If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't have lost my ass for May, hence the vid.
I guess I was trying to get some value out of a hand.. for a change.
He couldn't have 7x for once(without the boat)?
How often does villian catch a boat on the turn?

knaplek

06-05-2009, 10:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

How often does villain catch a boat on the turn?

That's not really the point, at least not the main one. Look at the hands that he might conceivably stack off with, will say overpair, two pair or set. Loads of players will happily stack off with those hands on that flop. If the turn brings a flush card, you've probably just killed your action (unless they had fd in which case you're behind). If the board pairs you're either behind those hands or they're going to be a whole lot more nervous. If the turn card is higher than their overpair they're certainly not stacking off anymore.

Even if they had a hand like one pair they'll probably call at least one bet, which YOU can control the size of, thus getting a lot more value than you do from their bet which is always going to be small.

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06-05-2009, 02:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by knaplek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

How often does villain catch a boat on the turn?

I guess I'm getting too results oriented. Probably my biggest leak.

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06-07-2009, 06:22 AM

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I know I suck for suggesting this and never getting back to it by now. Just haven't found the time yet, sorry. It's sunday morning 8:20 am over here and I just got home from partying all night (and feel like I have also) so the first thing I'll do when I'm awake (and not hung over anymore) is gonna be watching your vid.

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