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scrappy

09-13-2006, 05:14 PM Post subject: Very Aggressive players-how do I play against this type?

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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Good Day ladies and gentles,

I embarked on my local casino's $4/8 game ( thoughts to play very tight and I did until slick came along trying to steal every pot.)
One player(I call him "slick") is always betting/raising each hand pre-flop and on every turn. Most of the time with nothing and sometimes with the goods. With a bigger chip stack than everyone else, they come to the table with the bigger stack or they will play a hand or two. Leave and rebuy to have the bigger chip stack.
My problem is that if I have a good hand after the flop, they stick around till the river and fold only to give another player the best hand that they caught on the river. (The other players stick mostly because of slick.)
slick bets every hand as if it's the best plus it's a low-limit game.

example:
my hand: A

So I raise pre-flop, slick re-raises. Now four of us calls him.

Flop: 5

I check, slick bets everyone calls
( I check because I knew slick would only raise, and I wanted to see the turn cheaply. Looking for a 3

Ace or any 3 or any spade on the turn)

Turn: 3

I bet, slick raises, I re-raise, slicks calls and one other player calls.
(I've got the straight, so I re-raise hoping slick or other player would fold. Thinking slick & other player might have high pocket pair, but whomever calls might have suited

flush. I was thinking slick might have a spade.)

River: 5

I check, slick bets, the other player calls him, so I re-raise slicks folds other player calls me. But, the other player only stuck around knowing that slick is going to throw money at the pot regardless of what he had.

slick showed table hand of: 9

other player hand: J

My question is how to best play against player like this slick? From what I've seen that slick only wins pots where people fold. But he'll bet/raise all the way to the river every hand. My problem is that when I got a hand slick then folds on the river, and then some other player beats me on the river. Would it be better to bet, instead of checking to thin out everyone if I flop the nuts, wheel or high boat. Because, slick is going to hang around until he sees the river everytime hoping everyone mucks there hand giving him the pot. Would it be better to just avoid the slick character all together. Because, when slick loses half of his stack he goes and re-buys more chips.( Whoa, expensive way to play the game slick!!)

I don't know if that is consider aggressive play but I thinks it qualifies as such. Anyone ever play against a slick like this before?

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AHiltz

09-13-2006, 06:07 PM

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Coldbrook, NS

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I'm not a limit player so that this for what it's worth.

I'm check raising that flop. You have the nut flush and 2nd nut straight flush draw. You also have tainted gutshot.

If he's folding rivers get the money in when he may still like his hand. Don't let him off easily.

Xanadu

09-13-2006, 06:13 PM

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Join Date: May 2005

Location: st. paul, MO

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1. Only play with solid value preflop. Unless it's a huge fish fest and everyone is calling with anything preflop, you can't play hands like smal pairs and suited connectors because you won't be getting the odds you need. If there are consistently 5 or more to the flop, and people are also willing to stick around on later streets, then these hands can be played. When the pots are 5-way or more, you don't want to be playing marginal unsuited hands like KJ and AT. You do want to be 3-betting and capping your good suited Aces though, and probably KQs as well. Even JTs is worth a 3-bet or cap if there are going to be 7 or more to the flop.

Post flop, you need to get reads and play accordingly. Find out who is willing to gambool it up with the maniac, and who only sticks around with a strong hand. Push the gamboolers with decent hands and get out of dodge without a great hand against the others.

If you can, get a seat to the right of the maniac. Many people want a seat to the left so they have position on the worst player and can see what he will do. This is not usually correct. At typical loose low stakes tables, the maniac immediately to your left is the ideal position. The maniac is now your partner in controlling the pot post flop. When you have a great hand and want the pot as big as possible, you check, let him bet, then raise to trap everyone for 2 bets. When you want to protect your hand, you bet, he raises, and everyone is faced with calling 2 bets. Having position on the maniac is almost irrelevant because the advantage of position is information, and you already know what he is going to do most of the time ... bet or raise regardless of his hand.

Finally, do a forum search. This has been discussed many times in the limit forums.

neophyte

09-13-2006, 06:51 PM

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: Ottawa

Posts: 22

There is nothing wrong with having this type of player at your table.
The only problem I could see from your description is that you are sitting on the wrong side of him.
You want the crazy aggreesive guy on your right so you can let him do the betting for you.
Also, this way you can raise ahead of the chasers you are worried about.

Drewbie

09-16-2006, 01:13 PM

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 88

I am not a limit player either, but basically in NL, I just give players like this enough rope to hang themselves with.
Trapping works very well against players like this.

1 example

I am dealt :Qh: :Qc: in the BB.

This fool on my left calls, folded around to me. I check

Flop comes

:Qd:

/me checks. Maniac pots it. I call.

Turn :

I lead out 2/3 pot, repping the 9. Maniac calls.

River :

I check, maniac pushes, I stack him.

I realize the play pre-flop is dangerous, and wouldnt do that against other types of players, but it's a great way to blindside players like this.
If it matters, Villain had :Ac:

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