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michael1123

07-05-2004, 07:45 AM Post subject: Underbetting

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Man, I love underbetting! For those of you who haven't started using this regularly yet, do so! Its so much more effective than the regular check-call to the river then raise huge style of play.

For people who don't know exactly what I'm talking about, say you raise $4 preflop on the button with a pocket pair of 7s in a 6 max $1 / $2 ring game (like I just did - I'm following Fnord's advice on raising big on any callable hand when you have position, and I love it). The flop comes up 7-6-3.

Everyone checks around to me, and I now bet a whopping $2 (half the size of my preflop bet), which screams out that I have two overs and haven't hit shit. I get raised to 6 dollars by a guy, everyone else folds, and I just call, even though there's a flush draw there. 6 handed, I haven't been worrying about betting out draws too much, unless they're really blatant. As with 6 max tables, there's less people, which means less chances to give you the bad beat. Plus, as long as you keep your head on straight and pay attention to how people act, you can usually spot when you've been beaten on a draw, and you can lay your hand down. As long as you can do that, the chance to make a ton more money, instead of betting everyone out of the hand on the river, is worth it.

Anyway, the next card is an offsuit king, and this time he bets $8, and I call. Finally, the river comes, and its a 3rd heart, which is a scare card for me, but I didn't think he was raising and then betting all of this time on a flush draw. He bets $20 into a $45 dollar hand, and I realize I unfortunately can't raise, but think this is a rather easy call. He flips over a pair of 3s!

Recently, many of my big pot wins have started out with me making an undebet. If I tried to bet him out on the flop, or just kept checking, I really doubt I would've won a pot over $80. Sometimes a small bet shows more weakness to opponents than a check, especially after a preflop bet, so try it out when you flop a monster hand.

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fishstick

07-06-2004, 10:33 PM Post subject: Re: Underbetting

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Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1123

but I didn't think he was raising and then betting all of this time on a flush draw.

nicely played.

i especially like it as a way of getting information.

if you underbet like you did, and they're on a draw, it's very unlikely that they'll raise you (they'll just call, waiting for their card).

DaNutsInYoEye

07-07-2004, 01:01 PM

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hmm.... underbetting...? Do you mean like this?

***** Hand History for Game 731418593 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Jul 07 00:34:21 EDT 2004
Table Table 11228 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: doughboy13 ( $10)
Seat 2: myonline ( $90.95)
Seat 3: Rasnake ( $18.85)
Seat 4: Brandon6983 ( $34.85)
Seat 5: Alegendxx ( $24.40)
Seat 6: StevieCB ( $19.75)
Seat 7: DNutsInYoEye ( $32.65)
Seat 8: havoc7 ( $12.80)
Seat 9: clcstar2002 ( $45.10)
Seat 10: opella ( $24)
StevieCB posts small blind (0.25)
DNutsInYoEye posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DNutsInYoEye [ 8s, 8d ]
havoc7 raises (1.50) to 1.50
clcstar2002 calls (1.50)
opella folds.
doughboy13 folds.
myonline folds.
Rasnake raises (2.50) to 2.50
Brandon6983 calls (2.50)
Alegendxx folds.
StevieCB folds.
DNutsInYoEye calls (2)
havoc7 calls (1)
clcstar2002 calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 8h, 7c ]
DNutsInYoEye bets (1)
havoc7 calls (1)
clcstar2002 calls (1)
Rasnake raises (2) to 2
Brandon6983 folds.
DNutsInYoEye raises (5) to 6
havoc7 folds.
clcstar2002 calls (5)
Rasnake raises (8) to 10
DNutsInYoEye raises (24.15) to 30.15
DNutsInYoEye is all-In.
clcstar2002 calls (24.15)
Rasnake calls (6.35)
Rasnake is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
Creating Main Pot with $59.80 with Rasnake
Creating Side Pot 1 with $27.60 with DNutsInYoEye
** Summary **
Main Pot: $59.80 | Side Pot 1: $27.60 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ 4c 8h 7c Jd Ts ]
doughboy13 balance $10, didn't bet (folded)
myonline balance $90.95, didn't bet (folded)
Rasnake balance $0, lost $18.85 [ 5d Ad ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Jd,Ts,8h,7c ]
Brandon6983 balance $32.35, lost $2.50 (folded)
Alegendxx balance $24.40, didn't bet (folded)
StevieCB balance $19.50, lost $0.25 (folded)
DNutsInYoEye balance $87.40, bet $32.65, collected $87.40, net +$54.75 [ 8s 8d ] [
three of a kind, eights -- Jd,Ts,8s,8d,8h ]
havoc7 balance $9.30, lost $3.50 (folded)
clcstar2002 balance $12.45, lost $32.65 [ Jc Tc ] [ two pairs, jacks and tens --
Jc,Jd,Tc,Ts,8h ]
opella balance $24, didn't bet (folded)

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SteveO

07-07-2004, 01:25 PM

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DaNuts, sorry but that doesn't count. You took money from a mentally handicapped individual. Hope you feel good about yourself now. Don't you love when people just give you their money. A5 what a jackass.

Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!

fishstick

07-07-2004, 05:55 PM

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that was perfect. and by the time you come over the top and they figure it out (or maybe they don't

), they're pot and ego committed.

can you say cha-ching!

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