Typical Ugly Spot OOP: No idea what to do when turn and river brick

**The Bean Counter** · 06-20-2012 10:17 PM

This spot comes up fairly often. I flop a ton of equity and I'm looking to get the money in on the flop but villain doesn't oblige: turn and river advice gratefully received. Should I also assume our line is standardised against the majority of villains?

(yes, I should raise pre - only excuse is that this was my 2nd hand at the table).

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.57)
Hero (SB) ($10.53)
BB ($20.79)
UTG ($12.01)
UTG+1 ($3.70)
MP1 ($1.30)
MP2 ($3.34)
MP3 ($11.09)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

6 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) K

, 5

, 7

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $0.30, Hero raises $0.90, 1 fold, Button calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.10) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1

River: ($4.10) 5

(2 players)
Hero??

**bikes** · 06-20-2012 10:19 PM

c/f

not raising pre is an atrocious mistake

**d0zer** · 06-20-2012 11:19 PM

(yes, I should raise pre - only excuse is that this was my 2nd hand at the table).

I don't even understand your excuse

**The Bean Counter** · 06-21-2012 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by d0zer

I don't even understand your excuse

Clearly there's no decent excuse for this and I didn't even realise I'd done it until after the session (and was thoroughly disgusted with myself). It looks to me like I wasn't concentrating and was instead focusing on getting seated at some tables at the start of the session, rather than letting my brain work. As I say, I realise how terrible this was, but it's post flop I'm having the continued problem with.

**dranger7070** · 06-21-2012 09:42 AM

I'd prefer to lead pot on the flop as played PF and obviously try to get stacks in. Turn seems fine, river just give it up. No sense going for an ill-advised bluff readless.

**kickass** · 06-21-2012 11:50 AM

Why do we want stacks in? Are we ever in great shape when we stack off here? I suppose villain could be super aggro with a lesser flush draw or shit straight draw but in my experience that often isn't the case.

**dranger7070** · 06-21-2012 12:07 PM

Because I have a lot of GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL in me.

**OngBonga** · 06-21-2012 12:20 PM

We shouldn't be looking to stack off as standard on this flop. Getting it in on the flop is fine if we have some fold equity, I'm happy to get it in on flop if either a) I'm the one who shoves, or b) I'm committed to call.

**dranger7070** · 06-21-2012 02:45 PM

I think I mispoke/came off the wrong way when I said 'look to get stacks in.' What I meant was I prefer leading this flop vs. c/r (especially since it's a limped pot and we have buttloads of equity) to attempt to just take it down right away and helps build the pot if we do hit our A or nut flush, can also turn 3 more outs with a non-diamond T or J. And if our lead is raised, I wouldn't shy away from getting the stacks in.

**rong** · 06-21-2012 04:26 PM

Calling pre makes this whole hand a lot more awkward to deal with.

06-20-2012 10:17 PM #1
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 331	Typical Ugly Spot OOP: No idea what to do when turn and river brick This spot comes up fairly often. I flop a ton of equity and I'm looking to get the money in on the flop but villain doesn't oblige: turn and river advice gratefully received. Should I also assume our line is standardised against the majority of villains? (yes, I should raise pre - only excuse is that this was my 2nd hand at the table). Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($10.57) Hero (SB) ($10.53) BB ($20.79) UTG ($12.01) UTG+1 ($3.70) MP1 ($1.30) MP2 ($3.34) MP3 ($11.09) CO ($10) Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q 6 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks Flop: ($0.30) K, 5, 7 (3 players) Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $0.30, Hero raises $0.90, 1 fold, Button calls $0.60 Turn: ($2.10) 10 (2 players) Hero bets $1, Button calls $1 River: ($4.10) 5 (2 players) Hero??

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06-20-2012 10:19 PM #2
bikes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message i roll up Join Date Nov 2007 Posts 6,227 Location house	c/f not raising pre is an atrocious mistake

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06-20-2012 11:19 PM #3
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,228	(yes, I should raise pre - only excuse is that this was my 2nd hand at the table). I don't even understand your excuse

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06-21-2012 07:45 AM #4
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 331	Originally Posted by d0zer I don't even understand your excuse Clearly there's no decent excuse for this and I didn't even realise I'd done it until after the session (and was thoroughly disgusted with myself). It looks to me like I wasn't concentrating and was instead focusing on getting seated at some tables at the start of the session, rather than letting my brain work. As I say, I realise how terrible this was, but it's post flop I'm having the continued problem with.

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06-21-2012 09:42 AM #5
dranger7070 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 4,080 Location Butnaahhhhhh	I'd prefer to lead pot on the flop as played PF and obviously try to get stacks in. Turn seems fine, river just give it up. No sense going for an ill-advised bluff readless.

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06-21-2012 11:50 AM #6
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 887 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	Why do we want stacks in? Are we ever in great shape when we stack off here? I suppose villain could be super aggro with a lesser flush draw or shit straight draw but in my experience that often isn't the case.
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06-21-2012 12:07 PM #7
dranger7070 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 4,080 Location Butnaahhhhhh	Because I have a lot of GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL in me.

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06-21-2012 12:20 PM #8
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,311 Location England	We shouldn't be looking to stack off as standard on this flop. Getting it in on the flop is fine if we have some fold equity, I'm happy to get it in on flop if either a) I'm the one who shoves, or b) I'm committed to call.
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06-21-2012 02:45 PM #9
dranger7070 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 4,080 Location Butnaahhhhhh	I think I mispoke/came off the wrong way when I said 'look to get stacks in.' What I meant was I prefer leading this flop vs. c/r (especially since it's a limped pot and we have buttloads of equity) to attempt to just take it down right away and helps build the pot if we do hit our A or nut flush, can also turn 3 more outs with a non-diamond T or J. And if our lead is raised, I wouldn't shy away from getting the stacks in.

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06-21-2012 04:26 PM #10
rong View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 5,563 Location behind you with an axe	Calling pre makes this whole hand a lot more awkward to deal with.
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