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Old 12-08-2008, 02:03 PM     Post subject: Two KK hands #1 (permalink)  
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 I have just been pissing off stack after stack in the last two weeks with AA-QQ. I am running so terribly with those hands it's not even funny. Long term game though, so I'm not worried about it, but I do need to know if I'm playing them alright.

Both vills were fairly tight.

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BB ($4.75)
UTG ($2)
Hero (UTG+1) ($12.10)
MP1 ($13.50)
MP2 ($1.45)
MP3 ($2.95)
CO ($10.45)
Button ($10.10)
SB ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 9, 4, 10 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.75) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.40, CO raises to $8.70, Hero raises to $10.50 (All-In), CO calls $0.15 (All-In)

River: ($21.45) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.45 | Rake: $1.05

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BB ($10)
UTG ($7.15)
UTG+1 ($10.25)
MP1 ($11.10)
MP2 ($6.90)
MP3 ($10.55)
Hero (CO) ($10.30)
Button ($7.40)
SB ($2)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.40, 4 folds, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($3.10) 9, 10, 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2

Turn: ($7.10) 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $6.90 (All-In), MP2 calls $3.50 (All-In)

River: ($14.10) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $14.10 | Rake: $0.65
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:19 PM #2 (permalink)  
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edit: double post
"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
 
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I'm not sure if I call or raise here. I need a read on villain, or I may even fold.

Hand 2 is fine.
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:25 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Get PNLHE book and learn about conditional commitment.

1. Need read to felt this, against postflop tightass, sometimes you'll see QQ there, but generally your equity vs his shove range sucks, so muck it. However, if he just flats turn and river is airball, then you can value shove river.

2. Well played on every street.
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Given the villans are tight:

Hand 1: I'm about 99% sure villan is playing KQ based on his flop bet. I'm gonna min-raise this turn and fold to a 3bet. You're flop raise is too aggressive, and has you pot commited. You could get away from this cheaper.

Hand 2: You're fine. I don't see any way to lay this down against a 60BB effective stack.
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Hand 1: I'm about 99% sure villan is playing KQ based on his flop bet. I'm gonna min-raise this turn and fold to a 3bet. You're flop raise is too aggressive, and has you pot commited.
Huh?
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Given the villans are tight:

Hand 1: I'm about 99% sure villan is playing KQ based on his flop bet. I'm gonna min-raise this turn and fold to a 3bet. You're flop raise is too aggressive, and has you pot commited. You could get away from this cheaper.
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't really see how you can be 99% sure he has KQ in this spot based on the flop bet, no matter how you're misreading the history.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:58 PM #9 (permalink)  
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LOL...lack of sleep, guys. sorry.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:05 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I think you can find a fold. that turn card made the board really wet, and completes a ton of straight draws, 2 pairs, and sets

Hand 2 nh
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:45 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: That turn card just blows. I just can't find a hand that is calling a shove that KK beats. That hits the SC's range really hard, and at this level, I don't know if a villain is 3 betting 9s or Ts. I am probably folding this, even though I would hate myself for doing it.

Hand 2: NH.
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:48 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 Stuff like H2 I get, and H1 I am slowly (and expensively) applying to my game. H1 I just didn't think through in the heat of the moment, which is just so stupid.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:01 AM #13 (permalink)  
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If the villain is tight... what can he have in hand 1?

87,KQ,99+,9T,44,JT,KsJs,AsTs

those are "reasonable" hands he can have
you have 22.6% equity against this range
he also has air some % of the time but he'll never have air here often enough because he thinks you'll call

also, leaving a few cents behind is usually a sign of strength
I wouldn't go by that solely, but your equity is terrible regardless
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