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AFchung

10-09-2008, 02:03 PM Post subject: Two Barrel or Give up?

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MP2 ($0.98)
CO ($0.97)
Button ($1.05)
SB ($7.78)
BB ($1.30)
UTG ($1.82)
Hero (MP1) ($1.99)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8

, 8

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.15) 9

, 9

, 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.39) 4

(2 players)
Hero ????

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d0zer

10-09-2008, 02:06 PM

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Not really a great board to double barrel. What did he call the flop with that he's not calling the turn with?

If you've got some read that he floats the flop real light cause he's aware that you're c-betting and knows it's a good flop to c-bet, but will give up to a 2nd barrel then I like this but most villains at the micros don't fit that profile.

If a K or an A came on turn then I'd like the 2nd barrel here.

Chopper

10-09-2008, 02:26 PM

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i disagree. at this level, i fire the same .12 bet again. unpaired overcards are drawing against us, and Ahi thinks we are full of shit.

firing a smallish turn bet will confuse them as much as it confuses us when we get one. it looks like a 9 begging for a call, or a scared bluff.

we cant stand an overcard to hit since we are so vulnerable. but, there is not much chance we are beat, either. we need to keep betting for value and gathering information.

if he raises us, we have a decision to make. paired flops miss so many people, it favors our hand. and, at 2NL, villains notoriously take overcards WAY too far.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

d0zer

10-09-2008, 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

paired flops miss so many people, it favors our hand. and, at 2NL, villains notoriously take overcards WAY too far.

Yeah my bad. I wrote the above response as if we had missed overs, instead of a hand with more value.

There probably is value in firing again, but I gotta make it .20

10-09-2008, 03:56 PM

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it's not a double barrel when you're ahead of your villain's range
it's called a value bet

Chopper

10-09-2008, 04:30 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

paired flops miss so many people, it favors our hand. and, at 2NL, villains notoriously take overcards WAY too far.

Yeah my bad. I wrote the above response as if we had missed overs, instead of a hand with more value.

There probably is value in firing again, but I gotta make it .20

from my experience with these ultradonkey stakes, the .12 looks fishy and gets him to spring the trap on a raise if he was dying to do so. therefore, risking even less if you dont know where you are. however, it still draws value from lesser hands and actually entices a bit wider range to call along...like Ahi.

it sounds stupid, but when you cant put random opponents on respectable ranges, it kind of helps us. betting bigger and bigger, as we should, because we are likely ahead just gets these passive players to take a bigger pot off of us when they are too scared to raise TT.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Chopper

10-09-2008, 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

it's not a double barrel when you're ahead of your villain's range
it's called a value bet

down here, how do you KNOW you are ahead of his range? i cant see his cards, maybe you can. but, usually we only know what type of bet it WAS after we see a showdown.

therefore, is it really value? or a bluff into TT? is it spew? is it a block? reality says most bets are some combination of these. i just dont see the value in this hair-splitting, terminology comment.

down here, i think we need to focus on keeping marginal spots small, while still drawing value...or at the very least keeping some form of pressure on the villains...forcing THEIR mistakes by calling when they should be folding/raising. there are plenty of other spots to rock them for full value when the situations are more obvious. it is a rare villain, DOWN HERE, that will ever adjust/notice when we are pouring on the juice vs. just tapping the glass for possible value + information.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

MuddyWicket

10-09-2008, 06:55 PM

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I like bet/folding 25. His call is any overcards, some pairs, raising is best becuase it gives you fold equity/value and you probaly won't want to fold to a bet of a similar size so give him the harder decision. There are only 4 pairs you are ahead of so I would be checking the river nearly always afterwords.

I don't think this is a bad turn card becuase it probably hasnt changed a thing. Also the absense of reads is not good as a rule though. (even tho we don't always have them with good reason).

will641

10-09-2008, 08:12 PM

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keep firing, fold to resistance. i would go for like .26.

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10-09-2008, 09:10 PM

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at this level you keep barreling until the river unless you face aggression...

kmind

10-09-2008, 09:42 PM

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Good board to double barrel. Please do it.

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