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JoeHaw

12-08-2009, 10:46 PM Post subject: Two 6max 10nl spots

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Cliffnotes:
Hand 1: TPTK AI v unknown
Hand 2: Spewy? bvb w TT deep

HAND 1

Villain is complete unknown

$0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.02 Deep No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($15)
UTG+1 serviceoutrage ($16.12)
CO biglolnh ($11.60)
BTN TuteBube ($20.51)
SB wookin_pa_nub ($10.26)
BB tslim-shady ($10.27)

Pre-Flop: ($0.27, 6 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, tslim-shady calls $0.30

Flop:

($0.97, 2 players)
tslim-shady checks, Hero bets $0.70, tslim-shady calls $0.70

Turn:

($2.37, 2 players)
tslim-shady bets $1.10, Hero raises to $3, tslim-shady goes all-in $9.15, Hero calls $6.15

It's hard for me to put an unknown on a donk/3bet shoving range but I'll give it a go-

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,200 games 0.001 secs 2,200,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 3d Qh 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.386% 30.59% 05.80% 673 127.50 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 63.614% 57.82% 05.80% 1272 127.50 { KK+, 99, 33-22, AdKd, AQs, KQs, KdJd, QdJd, QdTd, Q9s, Qd8d, Qd7d, JdTd, 5d4d, 5h4h, 32s, AQo, KQo, Q9o }

I need to call 6.15 to win 14.52 so I need around 30% equity- good call? What about the turn raise?

River:

($20.67, 2 players, 1 all-in)

HAND 2 (note stack sizes)

Villain is 37/14/2.4 over 141 hands with 5.4 three bet and has 3bet 2/9 times in the big blind vs. a steal. 100%cbet 50%fold to cbet and 100% double barrel.

His fold to 3bet is 0/3

$0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.02 Deep No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG oldholburn ($10.22)
UTG+1 NLzwerverNL ($10.23)
CO TuteBube ($20)
BTN Leonvasil ($5.67)
SB Hero ($26.58)
BB Apan_Ola1 ($31.25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.27, 6 players) Hero is SB

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, Apan_Ola1 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $3, Apan_Ola1 calls $1.80

I didn't think folding was good 'cause he's done it 2/9 times and I hardly think he's ahead of me. Flatting I don't like because I'm oop against someone who can double barrel and any broadway besides a ten on the board is going to make it hard to play.
I decided to 4bet to $3 because I've already made enough out of whatever bluffs he might 3bet with and he's still probably calling with AK AKs probably even AQs AQo. Given stacks all pocket pairs are likely too. What do you think about my sizing?

Flop:

($6.12, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Apan_Ola1 calls $3

I think it was right about here I noticed stacks. The small cbet is me playing scared money I think. Plan against a raise here on the flop?

Turn:

($12.12, 2 players)
Hero checks, Apan_Ola1 checks

ugh idk I'm completely lost in this hand. I can't imagine what worse he would call with if I bet here besides like 88 but at the same time the check feels bad.

River:

($12.12, 2 players)
Hero checks, Apan_Ola1 bets $5.70, Hero folds

I think the bet sizing here really gives him away, I'm happy with the fold at this point but the play on flop and turn is probably atrocious. I just didn't like the idea of getting it all in so I guess I went for pot control but like I said it was probably a result of me being deep and scared.

Final Pot: $17.82

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spoonitnow

12-08-2009, 10:58 PM

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I don't understand the 3-bet in hand 2 if you're going to be scared to get it in on a 9-high two-tone board.

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JoeHaw

12-08-2009, 11:30 PM

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well I shouldn't be afraid to get money in I agree, but not all of it right?

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12-09-2009, 01:10 AM

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Bet turn in hand 2 please. Of if you think he's full of cum, then pick off his river bet.

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12-09-2009, 02:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeHaw

well I shouldn't be afraid to get money in I agree, but not all of it right?

You've set up an SPR of 4. It's time to get it in. If you don't want to get it in here, then don't put in so much money preflop.

JoeHaw

12-09-2009, 02:59 AM

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You make my preflop play seem pretty marginal- what would you do pre?
and certainly you dont mean shoving 23 dollars into a 6 dollar pot? Even w a pot sized cbet I don't see how I'm committed if villain raises

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12-09-2009, 03:30 AM

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What flop did you want to see when you 3bet preflop with TT? Does it have to include a T for you to be happy?

JoeHaw

12-09-2009, 04:20 AM

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no I was pretty happy with that one. As played preflop does cbet 4.50 than like 3/5 turn b/f sound good? And then river c/f if he calls

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12-09-2009, 05:34 AM

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hate 4betting hand 2 w/ these stacks

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12-09-2009, 09:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeHaw

No but with this SPR and this board the first thing you should be thinking about is how to get all the chips in the middle. You're committed here, no reason not to be. Stack size is really bad to 4 bet here, though. Making it like $4 or maybe even a bit more would've allowed you to stack off comfortably by potting flop and turn on these kinds of flops...

As played bet that turn hard, man.

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12-09-2009, 06:32 PM

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hand 2, you can just flat pre and let him spew into you.

hand 1, we only need 30% equity to call and i'm having a really hard time stoving a rang on him where we don't have 30% equity because the board's so wet and because there are at least SOME combos of lesser Qx's doing this.

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JoeHaw

12-10-2009, 01:17 AM

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yeah i figured the shove call was good, but decided the raise is bad against the unknown and the more passive call turn call river is probably best assuming they dont like overbet a shitton or something

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12-11-2009, 07:08 PM

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hand 1 seems like an easy fold to me. I think putting stuff like Q9 in his range is to optimistic. The only thing we beat is a flushdraw right?

I'm stupid, please correct me

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