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Trashcona

11-07-2008, 07:19 PM Post subject: turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

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Villain is 60/14/21 over 70 hands or so. What kind of range can we put him on here? Also, if my Ten was a club do I snap call here?

PS - I didn't get to top off my stack after losing the previous hand, hence my stack size....meh.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($17.03)
Button ($23.10)
SB ($36.20)
Hero (BB) ($21.05)
UTG ($50.20)
MP ($39.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 10

1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.65) 5

, A

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, MP raises $1.30, Hero calls $0.65

Turn: ($3.25) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, MP raises $38.05 (All-In), Hero ??

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al yell

11-07-2008, 07:53 PM

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this guy seems like a bit of a maniac. I personally don't see myself ever folding here, but that's just me.

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Fnord

11-07-2008, 07:55 PM

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Board: As 5c 4c Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.493% 43.27% 08.22% 971 184.50 { AA, 55-44, A2s+, A2o+ }
Hand 1: 48.507% 40.29% 08.22% 904 184.50 { AcTh }

What does his flop raise mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

ChrisBCritter

11-07-2008, 07:56 PM Post subject: Re: turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trashcona

Villain is 60/14/21 over 70 hands or so.

Snap him off easily here. Hopefully his A-trash isn't A4 or A5..

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Fnord

11-07-2008, 07:58 PM Post subject: Re: turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

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Snap him off easily here.

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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11-07-2008, 08:14 PM

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Well, you can take AA out of that range (DUCY)... and add some flush draws, that will already make it a lot more favorable to us...
Board: As 5c 4c Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.867% 26.31% 4.56% 1065 184.50 { 55-44, A2s+, K2s+, A2o+ }
Hand 1: 69.133% 64.58% 4.56% 2614 184.50 { AcTh }

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Originally Posted by fnord

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

From a 60/14/21 this most definitely can be a bluff line. I like a range with some flush draws also, maybe not as extreme as above, but we are doing better than flipping IMO...

Trashcona

11-07-2008, 08:18 PM Post subject: Re: turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

Snap him off easily here.

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

Do you figure this is a spot where we can 4bet the flop to get more info on our hand strength? Because I figured the minraise comming from this particular player could have been any hand in his range IMO. Do we discount hands in his range like AA/AK/AQ as I would imagine he'd raise pre with these?

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11-07-2008, 08:26 PM Post subject: Re: turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

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I figured the minraise comming from this particular player could have been any hand in his range IMO.

Have you seen him do it before? I think the flop action gives you a lot of insight into his range if you've been paying attention. Based on pre-flop stats alone, I agree that we don't know much and probably should just pay him off. A little more care on our part can turn this into a fist pump or laydown though.

Here's a hand I played a couple months ago against a similar opponent after I'd seen him raise/fold a funny board, then call down most of his hands and draws. So it made it easy to figure out what sorts of hands he's raising...

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($537.10)
Hero ($345.05)
SB ($209.00)
BB ($138.30)

Pre-flop: ($3, 4 players) Hero is BTN

1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop:

($13, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $16

Turn:

($61, 2 players)
BB bets $50, Hero goes all-in $315.05, BB goes all-in $58.30

River:

($484.35, 2 players)

Final Pot: $277.60
BB shows:

Hero shows:

Hero wins $482.35 ( won +$137.30 )
BB lost -$138.30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

11-07-2008, 10:40 PM

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is 21 his aggression frequency or his aggression factor? lol

kb coolman

11-07-2008, 10:50 PM

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is 21 his aggression frequency or his aggression factor? lol

LOL. Either way, you're stacking off with this guy on any hand that goes to the river.

11-07-2008, 11:11 PM

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I'd fold if that was his AFq

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11-07-2008, 11:37 PM

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DOH!! For some reason, I read it as 51 instead of 21.

Yes, def fold if it's AFq.

killerkebab

11-08-2008, 02:49 PM

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sorry for the off topic, but if AF is defined as bets+raises/calls, what is AFq defined as?

Trashcona

11-08-2008, 02:53 PM

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It's agg factor not frequency.

a500lbgorilla

11-08-2008, 02:56 PM

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You have no notes on a 60/14/21?

as played, stack off.

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You mean the revolver, sir?
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Trashcona

11-08-2008, 03:23 PM

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You have no notes on a 60/14/21?

as played, stack off.

Sad thing is, I haven't seen him go to showdown yet at this point. I have seen him c/minraise and he's been making smallish sized bets in relation to the pot, but that's about it.

kb coolman

11-08-2008, 03:32 PM

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Against this guy with no other reads, you have to shove.

11-08-2008, 06:03 PM

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It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

Trashcona

11-08-2008, 09:11 PM

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It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

It's precisely why I called, but I feel that the stat is misleading in this case seeing as he's been minbetting/minraising a ton. Personally I couldn't get that number out of my head at the time.

11-08-2008, 10:01 PM

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It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

It's precisely why I called, but I feel that the stat is misleading in this case seeing as he's been minbetting/minraising a ton. Personally I couldn't get that number out of my head at the time.

You're a flip against his range, unless he only shoves the nuts

a500lbgorilla

11-08-2008, 10:18 PM

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a fold would prolly be ok if you're running off his bet-sizing as a tell. But on the forum, I don't think that's the appropriate advice.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

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