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Turned straight in a multi-way pot
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deucesomething
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05-06-2010, 07:11 AM
Post subject: Turned straight in a multi-way pot
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3-of-a-Kind
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CO is a nit running 12/9/AF3.5 (200~ hands); SB is a spewy aggro station who I've seen 3 barrel ace high on a very drawy board twice. He's @ 27/12/AF7.0 (60 hands).
SB's leading out/barreling range would include 6x, 8x, and possibly other low pairs/SCs. I figured I had little fold equity against him and the 3 other players in on the flop so I didn't raise, esp with the paired board. UTG has been extremely passive (21/4/.80) and I've seen him float overpairs. What can we assume CO's continuing range consists of? Low pocket pairs or perhaps suited connectors? I doubt he'd be limping pre with 88+. Would he call and not shove 44/88?
Board: 8s 6h 6d 4d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.283% 63.19% 02.10% 485811 16116.33 { 7c5h }
Hand 1: 17.475% 16.13% 01.35% 123997 10359.33 { 88-22, A8s, A6s, K8s, K6s, Q8s, Q6s, J8s, J6s, T8s, T6s, 98s, 96s, 82s+, 76s, 62s+, A8o, A6o, K8o, K6o, Q8o, Q6o, J8o, J6o, T8o, T6o, 98o, 96o, 82o+, 76o, 62o+ }
Hand 2: 17.242% 14.50% 02.74% 111468 21100.33 { 88-22, A8s, A6s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, A8o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o } (this may be a bit wide of a range for a nit though; imo it's usually low pockets more than anything)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($17.30)
UTG ($6.60)
MP ($20.30)
CO ($10)
Button ($36.50)
SB ($11.40)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 , 5
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.50) 8 , 6, 6 (5 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold
Turn: ($1.70) 4 (4 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, SB raises to $11 (All-In), Hero ????
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Santo2True
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oh, good hand... i can't wait to see what the guys have to say about this. very interesting
I can see CO's range being something like PP but it's so odd cause you'd think he'd raise preflop unless they were lower then 77? I think something like 9Ts is believalbe too. So let's see:
CO's range= {22-66, 9Ts, 45s, 75s, 79s} only cause I can see a nit limping behind with SC and one gappers
SB's range is so hard for me because he seems so spewy. I could see him with like A2d here honestly. Or some other FD more then anything. But it would be so easy for him to show up with like 6x, 8x alot too no? With CO behind you and having called your raise I'm so scared of this board
I'm very interested in what others have to say
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rpm
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i probably call in the heat of the moment but i wouldn't be loving doing so. very tough hand in my opinion. the CO is probably opening middle pairs at least some of the time, making slightly more inclined to call. i think he'd be more likely to limp 67s, 56s than 88 or 44.
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Santo2True
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oh yeah, good point rpm.. 67 and 56.. huge factors.. that almost seems more likely then anything
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JR9477
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I'm really concerned at the point CO flats the raise, I feel a nit has to have a strong draw or a great hand to call like this.
I'm thinking {66,9d7d,76s,65s,7d5d,8d7d,86s}
Edited to fix 76/65 to be suited (not spades)
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(Josh)
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Hoopy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR9477
I'm really concerned at the point CO flats the raise, I feel a nit has to have a strong draw or a great hand to call like this.
I'm thinking {66,9d7d,7s6s,6s5s,7d5d,8d7d,86s}
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I don't think a nit would flat a draw facing a bet + raise from you, it's more likely he has 6x and is letting the SB spew off so I'd probably just ship it in this spot - you'll run into trips most of the time.
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JR9477
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The draws (9d7d,7d5d,8d7d) I pointed out were combo draws with plenty of outs/equity. I think there is at least some possibility that he may call with them.
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(Josh)
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Hoopy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR9477
The draws (9d7d,7d5d,8d7d) I pointed out were combo draws with plenty of outs/equity. I think there is at least some possibility that he may call with them.
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Yeah I'm not saying that he won't ever call with some of these - just think that with the board already being paired he might fold more often.
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deucesomething
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Any arguments for laying this hand down?
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fatguy'06
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I donno, if he is such a nit can you see him calling a turn raise of that size on a draw?
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deucesomething
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy'06
I donno, if he is such a nit can you see him calling a turn raise of that size on a draw?
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no, but I totally see him raising the nuts which doesn't happen here.
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