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Bear Bones
Old 07-16-2010, 01:53 AM     Post subject: TT x2 #1 (permalink)  
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No real reads and not using a HUD. I was dealt TT on the button and called a 3x raise two hands prior. (different) Villain check folded to a 7 high flop bet of about 4/5 of the pot. I had picked up a couple small pots but not been involved in any big hands on this table.

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CO ($25)
Button ($27.37)
SB ($25.32)
BB ($26.43)
UTG ($19.60)
UTG+1 ($5.41)
MP1 ($24.78)
MP2 ($30.63)
Hero (MP3) ($14.44)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10, 10
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.84, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.59

Flop: ($2.03) 2, 5, 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.50, MP1 raises to $3.75, Hero....

Preflop, I have to put him on a pretty wide range. I raise to isolate and drop the blinds and villain calls OOP. I still have him on connectors, 1 gappers, any ace, J9+, 22-99 leaning more towards Axs, A5o+. QT+, KT+. Check raise on flop and I was thinking he caught a piece or had two overs and was trying to push me off. Leaning towards 65, 76, 78, A5, A6, A7, 55 - 99.

Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($9.53) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.75, Hero......

Now I have a PSB behind so I think that 55, 66 would be trying to get the rest in the middle. .75 looks like a blocking bet or a lead bet to induce a shove.

Trying to get beyond level one thinking. Thoughts on perceived ranges and both the flop and turn actions appreciated.
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1)Top off your stack
2) the more reads you can get on villain the more accurate our ranges will be = +EV for us
3) Any hud stats are better than none as long as you say the sample size
4) Reasoning for the raise size pre?
5)"Preflop, I have to put him on a pretty wide range." How do you assume this with no reads or stats to indicate his style of play AT ALL??
6) Fold flop if you think villain is competetant at all because if you think about your plan for the turn it's going to end up him shoving a lot of cards and us tanking and folding because of our gay stack size ;(.
7) As played the 0.75 looks like a really weak bet that he could be making with a wide range (I'm not sure how we're supposed to really put villain on any range because you haven't really told us anything about him). Just try to make it to showdown at this point imo...
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:03 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 With your stack you have to make a decision of whether or not you are ahead of his c/r'ing range on the flop and if you are willing to stack off. Calling his c/r then folding the turn is major spew.

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Old 07-16-2010, 10:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Is Villain trying a float play here?
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1)Top off your stack
2) the more reads you can get on villain the more accurate our ranges will be = +EV for us
3) Any hud stats are better than none as long as you say the sample size
4) Reasoning for the raise size pre?
5)"Preflop, I have to put him on a pretty wide range." How do you assume this with no reads or stats to indicate his style of play AT ALL??
6) Fold flop if you think villain is competetant at all because if you think about your plan for the turn it's going to end up him shoving a lot of cards and us tanking and folding because of our gay stack size ;(.
7) As played the 0.75 looks like a really weak bet that he could be making with a wide range (I'm not sure how we're supposed to really put villain on any range because you haven't really told us anything about him). Just try to make it to showdown at this point imo...

3) I'm not currently using a tracking software so no HUD available.

4) at about 3.5x it's big enough to fold out the blinds but probably keep in the limper and I have a hand that I want to see a flop with.

5) because at this level many people try to limp with anything that is suited, has an A, small pairs or connectors. Even without specific reads I'm working to get beyond "hey I have a pair, bet" to "how does my pair stack up to what villain might have". I think even sitting down at a table you can make some basic assumptions about ranges and work to narrow it down. I hadn't seen op do anything crazy or spew money. He open limped from early position then called my raise so he's either really loose preflop/ slowplaying a monster or has a hand he thinks he can extract value from OOP postflop.

How do you play this hand if it's your first hand at the table?

6) the pot is $10 and I have a PSB behind. How do you play this if you had a full stack and you have $20 behind instead?

Caddie, I agree, calling pretty much commits me to the hand given stacks. I think I'm ahead of enough to see it through at this point. Assuming that I am committed here what do you think? I lean towards three scenarios in the order of likelyhood given the action,

1) he has a draw that missed on the flop and he wants to see another card
2) he has two overs or some value (small to med pair) that he wants to see showdown with
3) he has a monster and wants to induce a raise

thoughts? How do you play this hand differently with a full stack here?
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:53 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 With a 100bb stack, you get full value for your made hands and you're not left with a funky SPR and/or getting committed on the flop, among other things.
 
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Is Villain trying a float play here?
Nope floating is when you call flop with the intention of taking the pot away on the turn against villeins who cbet and give up a lot, it's usually done IP.

On the turn as played I'd shove since this is FD 95% of the time which c/r'd with no plan and is now block betting.
 
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3) I'm not currently using a tracking software so no HUD available.

4) at about 3.5x it's big enough to fold out the blinds but probably keep in the limper and I have a hand that I want to see a flop with.

5) because at this level many people try to limp with anything that is suited, has an A, small pairs or connectors. Even without specific reads I'm working to get beyond "hey I have a pair, bet" to "how does my pair stack up to what villain might have". I think even sitting down at a table you can make some basic assumptions about ranges and work to narrow it down. I hadn't seen op do anything crazy or spew money. He open limped from early position then called my raise so he's either really loose preflop/ slowplaying a monster or has a hand he thinks he can extract value from OOP postflop.

How do you play this hand if it's your first hand at the table?

6) the pot is $10 and I have a PSB behind. How do you play this if you had a full stack and you have $20 behind instead?

Caddie, I agree, calling pretty much commits me to the hand given stacks. I think I'm ahead of enough to see it through at this point. Assuming that I am committed here what do you think? I lean towards three scenarios in the order of likelyhood given the action,

1) he has a draw that missed on the flop and he wants to see another card
2) he has two overs or some value (small to med pair) that he wants to see showdown with
3) he has a monster and wants to induce a raise

thoughts? How do you play this hand differently with a full stack here?
If you don't use a hud then you have to be able to get a feel for everyone's general style of play without one, so you have to pay extra close attention to everyone to get reads ;(. Do you always raise some random typed out amount? whats the point of this? How can you assume that many people at this level limp any ace without reads and after you said that you were new at this level so you were waiting to know what it feels like before you top off your stack? Just because some people do limp pretty much atc you can't assume an unkown is limping such a wide range. If you do, your ranges will be off quite a bit pretty much always --------------------------------EV. If your can't put him on an accurate range pre without a hud then just get one, sheesh. If it's the first hand at the table then give him a range then I would give him a range of something like 22-99, ATs, AJ-AQo, KJs, KQo,KQs,QJs, with the intention of taking a more passive than normal line and not spewtarding off my stack against someone who I have no information about. If i have a full stack and 0 hands on any other players at the table my plan would be to limp behind pre because we're kinda digging ourselfs a grave if there are some laggtarded players behind us, if we do raise for value then I'd cbet that flop for value and call his flop c/r because we'll have position on the turn, I don't raising the blocking bet just cause we have no information on this player, which you really should after a few rounds.
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