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Muzzard
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02-07-2008, 11:26 AM
Post subject: TT top set on super drawy flop 25NL
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4-of-a-Kind
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On such a drawy flop am I best trying to ship it in on the flop? If I rerase what should the size be?
This is not a bad beat story or anything, I'm just wondering what the raise size be considering we have 2 villains and the respective stack sizes. I'm raising this flop like 90-100% vs 2 villains.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Profiles and Stacks:
 UTG ($18.45) 25.5/21.3/1.7 (94)
UTG+1 ($40.15) 30.3/14.5/1.8 (76)
CO ($27.70) 20.0/20.0/4.5 (35)
BTN ($18.90) 22.9/10.0/3.5 (70)
SB ($25.10) 34.9/18.6/4.0 (43)
Hero ($34.90) 15.7/10.8/5.0 (268)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB  
UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.5
Flop:    ($2.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1.25, SB raises to $4, $4 to Hero ($34.15)?
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minSim
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Push and pray
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kmind
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def try to get it in there...why did you check though?
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Fnord
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All-in
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Jimmy Mac
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Don't want this flop checking through, so I would lead for $2 and push over a raise. As played, I would shove.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by kmind
def try to get it in there...why did you check though?
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Coz UTG cont bet like 100%
So the consensus is just to shove?
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Chopper
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i lead this flop, but since you didnt, i SHOVE.
if i raise to $16ish, no way i can get away from any card. so, i either play like a real puss and raise to $10ish, and pray for someone else to shove, or MAN UP and shove myself.
i would rather be the windshield than the bug.
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Pythonic
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This is one of the hardest hands to play IMO. Any value in just folding and waiting for a better spot?
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Never bet on a white man in the heavyweight division!
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Chopper
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i am NEVER folding top set on a 25NL table on the flop. i have too many outs to the boat at this point. if he has the straight, my redraw is likely 40% against him.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
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Pythonic
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I always push in this situation but Im just curious.
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Never bet on a white man in the heavyweight division!
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Pythonic
This is one of the hardest hands to play IMO. Any value in just folding and waiting for a better spot?
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Never online, heck, I've laid down bottom set in spots like this live, but top set is where I draw the line and go broke unless there is a sick amount of money behind.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by Pythonic
This is one of the hardest hands to play IMO. Any value in just folding and waiting for a better spot?
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All in please.
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by Pythonic
This is one of the hardest hands to play IMO. Any value in just folding and waiting for a better spot?
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this isn't a tournament Pythonic
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Chopper
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guys, he was just asking....he said he'd push himself. lol.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
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Pythonic
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Of course I always push guys I was only curious if the full timers had any sort of weird logic into this.
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Never bet on a white man in the heavyweight division!
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martindcx1e
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never fold top set on the flop ever kthx
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
never fold top set on the flop ever kthx
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I hope that wasn't a response to my original post! I wasn't advocating fold ever. Just wondering to raise and to what amount or just shove. I think the majority think just shove.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
never fold top set on the flop ever kthx
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I hope that wasn't a response to my original post! |
it wasn't lol. guess i should have clarified.
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