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kb coolman
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02-12-2009, 01:33 AM
Post subject: TT from BB flops set on drawy board
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 596
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UTG+1 is running 35/13. He opens kinda wide but plays PF pretty standard. Haven't seen him get too much out of line.
MP2 is running 59/3, and is a total station pre-flop.
SB is 55/17 and seems to always raise an open pot. He c-bets everything. Literally.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($59.82)
UTG+1 ($24.43)
MP1 ($26.84)
MP2 ($26.13)
CO ($11.50)
BTN ($19.00)
SB ($25.10)
Hero (BB) ($25.25)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is BB  
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.85, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero calls $1.20, UTG+1 calls $0.60, MP2 calls $0.60
Flop:    ($5.80, 4 players)
SB bets $4, Hero ????
Is a shove incorrect here?
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WildBobAA
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: lol i dunno
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I would just make it $16 and put the rest in on any turn. I don't think a shove is horrible here though.
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hangchiong
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 359
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I would make it $12,and everything on the turn.
Shove would be ok,since we have some CS behind and a donk on SB.
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I would also make it 12, I thought "raise to 12" before I read hangchiong's post because it's 3x the villain's bet although the more "correct" bet size is more like 14 which is 70% of the pot (close to 2/3)
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xX zorrito Xx
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wellington, FL
Posts: 300
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do we shove the turn regardless of the card?..
suppose it's a scare card such a a jack, seven, or eight...
for this reason i'd rather shove on the flop...
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 596
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I wasn't sure how implied odds would apply with this board in a 4way pot, and had a hard time coming up with a proper bet size on the flop. I also knew I would get it all in on the turn anyway, so I shoved. 2 folds and SB showed up with KK.
Clearly, a flat call here would have been out of line, but what bet size would maximize my expectation and why?
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Vinland
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Between a couple of points.
Posts: 610
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Whenever I see hands like this I always think that the villain had an overpair. You possibly chased out some flush draws with your shove.
Like you said, you can't just call and there is probably a good chance he would just shove after you reraised him.
My only concern is, if he had JJ or QQ, would he call your shove or fold?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
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shoving is fine, making it $11 is fine
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Otter_Brothface
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Two Pair
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 40
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I think you need to make it much less Mr Spenda because the other guys here will have K and Q hands a lot and miss the flop. What actual draw are they going to have this is a scared post cos noone is thinking about what the villains have.
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WildBobAA
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Otter_Brothface
I think you need to make it much less Mr Spenda because the other guys here will have K and Q hands a lot and miss the flop. What actual draw are they going to have this is a scared post cos noone is thinking about what the villains have.
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Yeah you're right, I don't see how anyone could have a draw on this board.
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Vinland
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
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MP2 is running 59/3, and is a total station pre-flop.
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I could be wrong but if this guy calls anything PF then he could potentially have a variety of flush draws and possible open ended str8 draws.
Against multiple villains in a pot, there is often a draw, I don't know if I would've shoved the flop but I would have made it so that only overpairs were staying in with me. If opponents call after your raise, you could be gicing the last guy at the end of the line the right price to hit his draw.
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