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kmind
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05-12-2010, 10:39 PM
Post subject: TT 10NL 3bet Pot
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Straight Flush
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1. 133 hands on the guy and he is opening 38% from the button and folding to 3bets only twice out of five times. Postflop, honestly no real reads. He did not fold the one time he was cbet in a 3bet pot so far but I didn't take a read on what he had if it went to showdown. His flop aggression frequency is 40%.
I may have a better plan to play this hand, but I want to hear opinions first.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($9.25)
UTG ($15.12)
MP ($11.41)
Button ($11.18)
Hero (SB) ($10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 10 , 10
2 folds, Button bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.80
Flop: ($2.30) 5 , 4, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, Button raises to $2.40
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d0zer
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You have pretty shitty equity against a standard value/semibluff range so without reads that he's monkeying around a lot here I can quite happily fold this.
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kmind
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Yeah I'm def. folding but I think betting flop bigger is better. Agree/disagree?
I had better reasons other than he just bluffs a tad less but I'm studying and my brain is fried. But on that note we could bet bigger/fold and then bet a lot of turns if he just flats flop.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Yeah I'm def. folding but I think betting flop bigger is better. Agree/disagree?
I had better reasons other than he just bluffs a tad less but I'm studying and my brain is fried. But on that note we could bet bigger/fold and then bet a lot of turns if he just flats flop.
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Fold, and I like the betting you did in the moment. I don't really know why betting bigger would accomplish anything. Honestly if you had a diamond wouldn't you bet less than if you had AA-(no FD)? (You want him to think you have a diamond somehow?) I don't think betting 70% instead of 55% is optimal. Interested as to why you're drawn to betting more on the flop. If he just flats the flop bet don't you want to keep the pot small for pot control? Why do you want to barrel bigger bets OOP?
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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i cant help but feel feel like your small flop bet may have induced something here. i probably prefer betting about 1.80. i think this causes villain to play his range more straightforwardly, and gives our hand better protection on such a wet board. any diamond has at least 35% equity, all the way up to about 50% (AsJd) however he isn't going to continue with a lot of these diamonds, because he doesn't know that we have exactly ThTs.
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d0zer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Yeah I'm def. folding but I think betting flop bigger is better. Agree/disagree?
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1.50-1.60 is what I woulda bet I guess
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paratrooper99
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I would think a check-raise would work better here. You would be expected to lead as the 3-better pre-flop and it would certainly sell that you have a diamond. You know if he calls, then he has one diamond and if he raises he has 2 or certainly the Ace or King of Diamonds. You sacrifice a little more in chips but you get more information and maybe a free card on turn in return. Any thoughts on this?
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kmind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rpm
i cant help but feel feel like your small flop bet may have induced something here. i probably prefer betting about 1.80. i think this causes villain to play his range more straightforwardly, and gives our hand better protection on such a wet board. any diamond has at least 35% equity, all the way up to about 50% (AsJd) however he isn't going to continue with a lot of these diamonds, because he doesn't know that we have exactly ThTs.
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This sums up what I wanted to say pretty well. I was thinking even like $2.
Imthenewfish - Like rpm says we want our opponent to play pretty straight forwardly in this situation. That's not saying I'm purely betting for information because I'm not, I'm betting for value against his range. I feel like his call big bet on flop range is behind mine and on a non-diamond turn I have a lot more equity and I'd still want to bet for protection albeit a smaller % than my flop bet. Just enough to force him to make a mistake and call. With AdAx I'd still bet the same amount (if I bet bigger) because he has a load of crap that will call a big bet/call or fold a smaller turn bet.
As far as keeping the pot small that's ok and all in some spots but I realllllly think we gain a lot of value betting bigger, having him call, and then him either calling or folding a bet on the turn.
Basically, by getting him to play straightforwardly we can either value town him if he calls or fold easily if he raises. Or gain some dead monies if he folds.
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dranger7070
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I like d0zer's sizing of 1.50-1.60 over 1.80-2. He will likely play his range the same way vs both, we just lose less when he raises, and its still a good size for a vbet or a semibluff with our entire range.
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mrchevyceleb
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of flatting preflop rather than 3-betting. You are crushing your opponent's range, and you want to keep all of his worse hands in, and calling does just that. If you 3-bet here his calling range is likely going to beat you unless he's a total fish. And 38% button open range is standard. Small sample for fold to 3bet.
As for the flop, as played, He's bluffing all sorts of flush draws here so I would call the flop and analyze the turn card, I can't fold yet. Of course playing out of position sucks, but you can't fold yet, people love bluff-raising cbets on monotone boards.
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Erpel
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Well, if kmind is correct and the bet is for value and "He will likely play his range the same way vs both" clearly the larger bet has the larger EV. It's for value. We're (presumably) ahead.
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!Luck
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Even if his 3 bet calling range preflop is 22+,78s,89s,t9s, braodway I wouldn't call 60% crushing. TT is going to be in a lot of weird spots vs such an agro opponent. thus flatting might be better. I would rather have an Ace in a 3 bet pot against an agro opponent. Not to mention this flop hits your opponent, thus you are a little bit ahead or just crushed. Or worse you are little ahead and chances might still be ahead by river but going 3 streets with such a marginal holding. hell there are so few cards you want to see hit turn or river. Just flat next time, get fancy with something stronger like QQ.
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Imthenewfish
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3 betting preflop is because we're going to be playing OOP..?
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WeaselT
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Originally Posted by !Luck
Even if his 3 bet calling range preflop is 22+,78s,89s,t9s, braodway I wouldn't call 60% crushing. TT is going to be in a lot of weird spots vs such an agro opponent. thus flatting might be better. I would rather have an Ace in a 3 bet pot against an agro opponent. Not to mention this flop hits your opponent, thus you are a little bit ahead or just crushed. Or worse you are little ahead and chances might still be ahead by river but going 3 streets with such a marginal holding. hell there are so few cards you want to see hit turn or river. Just flat next time, get fancy with something stronger like QQ.
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