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Old 09-05-2010, 05:01 PM     Post subject: Trying not to scare them off #1 (permalink)  
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I don't have any reads because I had only just arrived at the table but most of the players seemed to be playing fairly standard except one who was quite LAG. The point that when I got to the river I wasn't sure how big a bet to place that wouldn't scare Villain off but would get me the most. How should I have played this?

Cassava Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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CO: $2.01
BTN: $0.37
SB: $5.00
BB: $2.38
UTG: $3.51
UTG+1: $0.80
MP1: $2.28
Heroine (MP2): $1.51

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Heroine is MP2 with 4 Q
3 folds, Heroine calls $0.02, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.04, Heroine calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.09) 6 8 9 (2 players)
BB bets $0.09, Heroine calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.27) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Heroine checks

River: ($0.27) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Heroine ?
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Old 09-05-2010, 05:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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What does villain have? How much can he call?


Put him on a range and the answer is clear.

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Old 09-05-2010, 05:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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And also fold preflop
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Old 09-05-2010, 05:12 PM #4 (permalink)  
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good point, got caught up in some details.
 
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Old 09-05-2010, 05:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Don't open limp...
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Old 09-05-2010, 06:24 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You're gonna really need to A: read the BC digest and have a look at some articles on really basic preflop strategy and B: Start putting your opponents on a range like you're being told to do every time you post a hand. Sure you're gonna suck at it at first, but ffs give it a go. Posting hands looking for everyone to do all the work for you or give you a magical answer is not going to help your poker development very much.

You need to understand how you should be thinking about poker situations. In this hand for example, what's villains range like when he min raises preflop? When he cbets this flop? When he checks the turn? When he checks the river after the turn checks through. To answer your question, yes his range is very weakon this river and he's shutting down here a ton of the time with random overcards. Rarely he'll have some retardedly played monster hand, but the majority of his range here is air or a weak pair, mostly air. So there is no magical exlier you can sprinkle on this pot to suddenly give him 780 combos of 2nd best hands that will pay you off.

Basically you wont get a call out of random A high, K high Q high etc with any bet size that isn't tiny and pointless, so just bet like 20c and get called by all his 9x 8x 7x etc. If he folds his KQ, it doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. You don't own the magical get called elxier so therefore cannot sprinkle it on this pot.
 
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Old 09-05-2010, 06:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Don't open limp. Open limping means calling the big blind preflop as the first person besides the blinds to put any money in the pot.

Put your opponent on a range and decide how he plays it if you bet. AKA the same shit everyone posts in 90% of your threads.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:49 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Okay, I get the message.
I am going through the posts, and I know the hand above wasn't very good from the start. That's why I only asked about the River bet.

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Put your opponent on a range and decide how he plays it if you bet. AKA the same shit everyone posts in 90% of your threads
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:58 PM #9 (permalink)  
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FWIW, people will only help for so long. If you start to make smart ass comments you will find your self on the outside getting help from only other outsiders. You need to start to show some improvements in your thought processes.
 
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It's also an attitude thing. If you have the wrong attitdue for poker and don't show a willingness to learn and listen, even if people are a lil blunt with you, then noone will care. People here want to help new players, but only if they feel like they have the attitude to learn.
 
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:24 AM #11 (permalink)  
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FWIW, people will only help for so long. If you start to make smart ass comments you will find your self on the outside getting help from only other outsiders. You need to start to show some improvements in your thought processes.
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