The trough-Bigspenda73--4000 Posts of Degeneracy

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

And don't talk about BR management, I had 20 BI's for that 25nl, took a shot got raped, and moved right back down. It wasn't terribad, and I earned it back before I cashed out! =p

When taking a shot table selection usually helps a lot.

Anything else?

Do you know how to play razz?

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Do you know how to play razz?

Yes, but only when I'm playing Seven Card Stud unfortunately

Originally Posted by jyms

You missed my question

6. Trainer_Jyms

You've found a table/opponents where 3betting light seems like a great idea. Questions:

1. How do you deal with getting 4bet when you hold ATs or 77? Just fold?
2. How much 4betting will change your mind about 3betting?

Originally Posted by Robb

You've found a table/opponents where 3betting light seems like a great idea. Questions:

1. How do you deal with getting 4bet when you hold ATs or 77? Just fold?
2. How much 4betting will change your mind about 3betting?

In honor of all of Robb's past posts, I'll create a long-winded strategy post for you guys.


1. I have some fun math I could show everyone about 5bet shoving, I've been working on it a lot lately. Maybe I'll write up a post on 4/5bet semi-bluff shoving. Anyways, I'll tend to believe people who 4bet me OOP much more than those who do it IP against me.

With ATs or 77 assuming typical 3bet/4bet sizing you need to believe your opponent is going to fold around 40-45% of the time being 100bb deep. This means they need to be 4bet bluffing (4bet+folding) slightly less than they are 4betting+stacking-off for value. Seeing how most people like to flat KK/AA against 4bets, they are typically bluffs more than you would think. Of course this depends on the level and/or opponent. At $25nl and below I have yet to see a 4bet bluff that wasn't my own. **MAKE SURE YOU CHOOSE YOUR OPPONENTS CORRECTLY**

A lot of my math is based off of this 4bet+calling range for my opponents: JJ+,AKo,AKs. That's 40 combination's of hands, only 33 if you have ATs because of blockers. Notice how few trash-hands someone must have in their 4bet+folding range to start make 5bet semi-bluff shoving +EV. If someone 4bets with JJ+,AKo,AKs,890,J90,79o,56s and you have ATs it's now right at 0EV or slightly +EV to shove PF. This is done through basic hand-combination's. We know JJ+,AKo,AKs is 33 combinations, while 89o,J9o,56s contains 37 combinations. I've told you earlier that you only need about 44% FE here to be +EV. With 33 combinations in their calling range you need their total 4betting range to have ONLY 59 hand combinations, or 26 combos of a 4bet+fold range. Any more than 26 4bet+fold combinations and we are +EV.

2. This is where the "feel" in poker starts to kick in. Do I really believe/feel my opponents are adjusting, or did they just happen to find QQ+,AK one of these times. I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect, note, however, that this is from spending a lot of time playing HU and 3-4 handed starting 6max tables. At $100nl and above people 4bet bluff way more than you think, and if you're willing to ride the variance train, you can get away with a lot. However, at $50nl and below, players 4bet+fold frequencies drop dramatically, to the point where 5bet shoving is probably not as profitable.

As an aside, make sure you're 3betting light for the right reasons. Some players tend to 3bet the wrong types of hands, destryoing a lot of their hand's value by significantly reducing their opponents range PF to one that dominates their hand. A typical example is 3betting TT/99 against the wrong types of opponents. Against some this is a value 3bet, against others (nits, abc taggs) you destroy a lot of your hand's value by 3betting. These hands 88-TT are going to put you in much more difficult spots postflop in 3bet pots than say would 22-55 or 56s because you're likely going to always have a medium strength hand which can be difficult to play.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

In honor of all of Robb's past posts, I'll create a long-winded strategy post for you guys.

LoL. Thanks, spenda. Good stuff to think about. I like the math - you gave just enough of an outline for folks like me to get our teeth into and do the rest on our own. Nice post.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

express your opinion of 5 long term posters not named givememyleg, who you believe to be inferior players of no limit texas hold'em when compared to yourself.

Alright:

1. Leg
2. Swiggidy
3. Rilla
4. Bigred
5. Salsa4ever

Oh no you didn't!

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect

Dude, you're a liar and moreso a nit!

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players

Sugar Nut (BTN/SB): $72.35
bigspenda73: $53.05

Pre Flop: Sugar Nut is BTN/SB with 7 6
Sugar Nut raises to $1.50, bigspenda73 raises to $5, Sugar Nut raises to $13, bigspenda73 folds

Final Pot: $10.00
Sugar Nut mucks 7h 6s
Sugar Nut wins $10.00

[x] solid first post

sn on AP?

why do i suck at poker?

why do i suck at golf?

why do i suck at life?

for how long will u stop posting outside the commune when u reach 4999 posts?

Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect except from nits

Dude, you're a liar and moreso a nit!

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players

Sugar Nut (BTN/SB): $72.35
bigspenda73: $53.05

Pre Flop: Sugar Nut is BTN/SB with 7 6
Sugar Nut raises to $1.50, bigspenda73 raises to $5, Sugar Nut raises to $13, bigspenda73 folds

Final Pot: $10.00
Sugar Nut mucks 7h 6s
Sugar Nut wins $10.00

[x] solid first post

fmp

Why?

Originally Posted by XTR1000

sn on AP?

why do i suck at poker?

why do i suck at golf?

why do i suck at life?

for how long will u stop posting outside the commune when u reach 4999 posts?

honestly I forget who I was, either Borat4Prez or deeeeenutz

You dont suck at poker, you suck at winning at poker

You don't suck at golf, well, actually, you probably do and I'm not a golf pro anymore.

You do suck at life, everyone hates you and it's all your fault.

I plan on being at 4999 in 4 days, stay tuned!

I gots two questions.... kind of related...

1) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M which is sh!tty... do I keep grinding away to try and fix leaks at $10 or move up anyway if I'm rolled?

2) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M.... and have basically hit a wall over around 100K hands. Where should I start looking to find those break-through leaks?

Originally Posted by sarbox68

I gots two questions.... kind of related...

1) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M which is sh!tty... do I keep grinding away to try and fix leaks at $10 or move up anyway if I'm rolled?

2) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M.... and have basically hit a wall over around 100K hands. Where should I start looking to find those break-through leaks?

So 2ptbb/100 over 100k hands is $400 earnings? I would certainly advise you to up to 25nl. 2ptbb/100 over 100k hands does prove you can beat 10nl, albeit not at a world record pace. I know lifetime I'm 10ptbb/100+ at 10nl over 25k+ hands. Basically I learned early to do a few things:

1. Tighten up my UTG, UTG+1 opening ranges, people love to call PF, so playing a weaker range OOP stinks.

2. Value-bet light. Remember all of those bluffs that were called? Think about spots where you think your bluff would always get snapped-off when you actually have a decently made hand (think 2nd pr, or even 2pr/set on scary boards). A lot of your hand-strength is based off of board textures. On some boards TPTK is a monster, on others it's a bluff-catcher at best.

3. Learn to read bet-sizing, timing tells, and take good notes on both.

4. Learn to value-shove your big hands. I cannot tell you how many times I've overbet shoved huge hands only to get called by the strangest of hands. I tend to go for the gusto, also, I tend to do it on great boards.

Say you hold 67 and the board runs out 342T5. The pot is probably fairly small due to the fact that we had just a gutterball, however, now a lot of players won't fold an Ace (5 high straight) to a shove, and they certainly won't fold a 6 ever. Some people might just make a standard 2/3 pot bet here, I tend to just shove, even if the pot is like 50 cents. The same thing goes for overboats and quads and even the nut-flush on a 4flush board. Your opponents calling frequencies do not change enough to merit a small bet over an overbet shove. Once you get past $25nl this thought-process should definitely be re-visited, however, for the time being it is certainly the most +EV way to play.

History/reasoning behind PS sn?

Originally Posted by JinxT4

History/reasoning behind PS sn?

Which one, I've had 4 accounts there....

Loltrappedu, it was actually a joke, just like bigspenda73 was when I joined FTR. I was making for of the interweb lingo and I remember someone else had Loltrickedu or something.

Anyways, every time I sit at a table with noobs they give me hell when they trap me. Funny thing is I play my hands so fast, bluffing, semi-bluffing, and made-hands obviously that I cannot remember the last time I loltrapped anyone.

Looking back on it, loltarpedu would have been 50x cooler (sarcasm, again).

If I had to pick again, something like NittyMcnitterson, or sirFoldsAlot would be better, b/c then maybe I could get someone to fold against me every once in a while.

How much are you up on me at microstake donkfests and how is that fair?

Originally Posted by frosst

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Originally Posted by frosst

Originally Posted by frosst

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Sorry I missed this one frosst.

There are 2 ways to attack a blind-stealer, however, this guy isn't that high on the charts.

1. 3bet more
2. Call and play some poker postflop

My typical 3betting range against a stealer will be a lot of pairs, AQo+,AJs+ and some suited connectors thrown in from time to time. I tend to not want to flat small pairs against loose button openers because we give up with them so much postflop and the button's range is too wide to profitably set-mine against.

Basically you want to make life tough for them to open such a wide range, so either 3betting or c/r'ing a lot of flops or leading some flops and c/r'ing others will be a good way to combat someone who steals a lot.

Why do we 3bet hands like 99/TT/AJs/ATs vs. loose stealers?

I probably don't 3bet 88/99 and I'll 3bet TT for value

These run so close between 3betting for FE+playability and 3betting for value. A lot of it depends on the BTN's 3bet-calling range not just their opening range.

Also, I never said to 3bet ATs, I usually just flat it, it doesn't make a lot of sense to 3bet ATs when our opponent is opening all Ax hands otb but only continuing to a 3bet with AQ+.

I'm not saying you did 3bet ATs, I am just saying I see it so often in videos and stuff. I was just curious because I agree with your thinking.

But how do you play most of your flops when you are 3betting small pairs? Cbet most flops and give up if called? I hate having only 2 outs...

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Name 5 long term posters that you are better than, name 5 you are worse than.

Worse than is easy, if I had to rank 5 best players on FTR w/o anyone getting butt-hurt:

1. Sauce
2. Gabe
3. Marshall28
4. Jew Crew
5. IlikeAces86

Who am I better than, that's just a loaded question, how about the coolest FTR'ers I've met:

1. Halvsame
2. P4's
3. Swiggidy
4. Nutsinho
5. Ensign_Lee obvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

i felt obligated to fix this when i heard about it. spenda, i dont know u, and although i appreciate what youre saying, its just very very far from the truth. there are many posters here who are much much better than me. just off the top of my head....

p4's, nutsinho, alexos, griffey, isf, mcat, redgrape, fnord, renton.

gabe and sauce obv. ...

im sure there are plenty others who i've just forgotten or am just not aware of.

wat? ISF's almost as bad as that idiot redgrape.

Lawl ISF/Redgrape are on the list.

i dont know what kinda loot u make .. but they both make a lot more than i do : /

are you putting them on and taking off Jew Crew? The Steinbergs'll be crushed!

lol

who puts in less volume as a poker pro - you or me?

why was I not on any of your lists?

You bailed on us in Vegas, rememberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

yes, and I regret it (maybe)

oh I got a good question for you:

Open your notes, and look at Ragnar4 on PS

What do your notes say about me?

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

oh I got a good question for you:

Open your notes, and look at Ragnar4 on PS

What do your notes say about me?

Pre-Flop Tendency: SEMI LOOSE - The Poker-Edge software automatically color codes neutral players in BLACK for easy identification.

Player Type : You are a Bomb (Aggressive/Aggressive). Your Aggressive play Pre and Post Flop makes the table fear you. The Poker-Edge software shows you the Bombs by placing an icon next to their name at the table!

Strengths: Your aggressive nature is your biggest strength. You win many pots on bluffs and semi-bluffs.

Weaknesses: Your biggest weakness is you sometimes lack discipline. Your aggression is unwarranted sometimes. People slowplay or check-raise you because they know you will bet.

Best Advice: Work on your discipline, and you will be a shark.