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Sasquach991

11-20-2008, 03:04 PM Post subject: Tried Slow Playing-5NL

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Very tight game. Villian was 15/10/2 if I remember correctly. I finally got an unbeatable hand and decided to slow play it. When I reviewed it I think I should have raised the turn to 2/3 pot or more or pushed or should I have push after the flop?. Any thing else?

One more question: Is a BR of $200 enough to move up to 10NL or should I wait til 30 BI's?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($6.85)
UTG ($5.38)
MP ($4.32)
CO ($1.28)
Button ($3.31)
SB ($3.26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6

, 6

, J

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.10, Button raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.82) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

River: ($0.92) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero ???

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d0zer

11-20-2008, 03:22 PM

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I don't mind playing the flop slow here, encouraging a 3-way with your nutz.

But on the turn, the problem with letting him minbet is that is doesn't build the pot at all for getting it in on the river. Button has shown aggression on every street, so he's probably sticking around for a big turn raise, which will set up a pot sized river shove.

BU's line looks a lot like AJ/KJ/QQ+ from a limit player or someone who doesn't know how to size bets properly. So by the river yer done and have to fold seeing how you don't beat the board.

a500lbgorilla

11-20-2008, 03:28 PM

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"I don't mind playing the flop slow here, encouraging a 3-way with your nutz. "

Heros line screams nuts.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Sasquach991

11-20-2008, 03:32 PM

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"I don't mind playing the flop slow here, encouraging a 3-way with your nutz. "

Heros line screams nuts.

Sorry rilla, but I don't understand what you mean by this.

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11-20-2008, 03:35 PM

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Uh, there's a bet and a raise and you cold call. If you haven't been a passive-calltard then your line basically tables a 6.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

a500lbgorilla

11-20-2008, 03:36 PM

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in any case, i find this hand infinitely amusing and don't like the play on any street.

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You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

d0zer

11-20-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

"I don't mind playing the flop slow here, encouraging a 3-way with your nutz. "

Heros line screams nuts.

Yeah to anyone with hand-reading abilities (5NL donks excluded).

I think a donk will interpret a raise over a flop bet/raise to be massive strength at least as much as they will a call + turn raise.

ChrisBCritter

11-20-2008, 03:57 PM

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I finally got an unbeatable hand and decided to slow play it.

I hope you won't do that again?

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Uh, there's a bet and a raise and you cold call. If you haven't been a passive-calltard then your line basically tables a 6.

This. Once you open-check on a board like that and don't fold to any action, your range becomes very polarized towards nut-hands. Even at $5NL, a villian will recognize this.. case-in-point, his Turn bet...

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in any case, i find this hand infinitely amusing and don't like the play on any street.

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Erpel

11-20-2008, 04:41 PM

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To answer in order: $200 is enough to move up to 10nl if you have beaten 5nl and 10nl before and you're starting over with a new bankroll. If it's your first bankroll and you learn as you go along it's probably wiser to wait until $300.

Pre-flop: Limp and min-raise before you - I would raise this up to $0.35-$0.40, hope for button to call and get headsup to the flop.

Flop: I accept checking. A paired flop is a bluffing flop because there are only two card strengths on the board. If you have an unpaired board 9 cards if in someones pocket holding will make a pair - if the board is paired only 5 cards will make someone a pair (or trips) and J6 doesn't lend itself to any straights and no flushes are possible. I don't hate calling as much as others. Traditionally calling a bet AND a raise screams strength at the top of your lungs making it very hard for your opponents to put more money in - raising is seen as less strong. That said, the total bet size AFTER the raise is less than 2/3 PSB so you can be forgiven for treating it like a single 2/3 PSB. I don't hate calling to keep people in here so you can extract more. However, I also prefer a raise here - probably to $0.70 or so. It seems bluffy while at the same time giving fair odds ($0.50 to win $1.32 for button if MP folds). Given a call here I would plan to lead out with $1 into $1.82 on the turn and $1.51 into $3.82 on the river. Alternative plan I guess would be to check/call any turn bet and open shove river regardless if any turn bet was made.

Turn: Time to play hardball. With the 3 sixes on the board anyone with a high pocket pair or AK/AQ will think they are in good shape and think you're full of shit if you bet. Your full house at this point beats any hand that doesn't have a 6 - and button hasn't played as if he had a 6. But he HAS played as if he likes his hand and wants to extract value. I would probably outright bet here. Button has $3.01 left at this time and to get all-in in two bets I like the divide by four rule of thumb which indicates a turn bet of $0.75. This is a bit big relative to the pot so may see some AK hands folding. I'd modify that down to $0.60 and if any A, K or Q comes on the river I'd open shove $2.41 into $2.02 (slight overbet) as any lesser full house will still call - if no A, K or Q comes on the river I'd probably bet $1.6 into $2.02. Given the check-with-a-chip move (used to give you a chance to BLUFF at the pot - I read this as strength) I would definitely raise to $0.75 at that decision point.

River: As played, fold. If he does not have an A, K or Q calling will let you split the pot - so he needs to have A, K or Q no more than 30% of the time for calling to be profitable. As the hand played I'd say he has A, K or Q at least 80% of the time.

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