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Pelion

02-07-2006, 05:51 PM Post subject: TPTK raised on the turn 10NL/25NL

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Im mostly asking guys from 10 and 25 NL where there are plenty of fish since I know 50NL is a rockfest and 2NL is just plain insane.

This is a common situation but I still dont 100% know the best way to deal with it. Villain is a typical sort of player at these limits that you dont have reads on yet.

You hold AK.

PFR 4x BB (or 5x i.e. standard raise) and 2-3 callers.

Flop comes A82 rainbow or some such non threatening board.

You bet 3/4 -full pot and get 1 caller.

Turn is a 5 still rainbow.

You bet again (3/4 say) and he raises with say another 3/4 potsize bet.

Do you reraise to find out where you stand? Or just fold? Do you call to see what he does on the next card?

I guess I want to know what the standard response is.

What about if you hit the K? Does that change it since people play Aces so readily.

What about if you are in/out of position?

And last of all same question on something like a 67A 2 suited flop?

Edit: Fixed second example

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02-07-2006, 05:59 PM

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I would be a lot more careful with A floping since we know monkeys play every A under the sun and you could be running into 2 pair.

With K on the board I usually reraise... and run into a set

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02-07-2006, 06:04 PM

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For the first example, you are probably beat. For the second, you are beat because you have ace high and getting raised.

My rule of thumb to figuring out what my opponent has:
Can the hands that I beat, play the way my opponent is playing? Example:

You hold AKs and flop comes K72 rainbow. Opponent check, you bet, opponent raises all in. Now, the second best hand to your AK is KQ. To call this all in, you must hope that your opponent is holding KQ or worse. For any half decent player, this check raise all in with KQ is not a common play at all. Expect to see 2 pair or better 90%+ of the time in this situation.

10NL Or lower however, is a different story.

Moral of the story: Ask yourself if the hands you beat, would make the moves your opponent is making.

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02-08-2006, 04:22 PM Post subject: Re: TPTK raised on the turn 10NL/25NL

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situation 1: He calls your flop bet because either he doesn't believe you have an ace, or he can beat it. AK is obviously in that range. You fire out again, and he's telling you he can beat it. What to do from there depends on a lot of things.. ie what you think he has, your image, his image, stack sizes, position, etc. In situations like that, I find you should look for reasons to get out. It looks like a set. If there's not much behind, you can get it all-in. Like most things in NL though, it depends.

When I'm playing AK, I'd rather hit the ace then the king.

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I would be a lot more careful with A floping since we know monkeys play every A under the sun and you could be running into 2 pair.

a weaker paired ace is much more likely. There's also less hands that can beat you. When you hold AK and hit your king, you still have to be worried about AA out there. If you expect everyone to reraise aces preflop you are crazy. Many people slow call. Hit your A, and AA really isn't much of a concern anyway. There's only 1 card combo to make bullets left...

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And last of all same question on something like a 672 2 suited flop?

AK on this flop? I'm usually betting out representing an overpair but rarely fire the second barrell. If I have AK I like betting the flop, check/folding the turn. AA I prefer bet, check-raise bomb. I have a lot of lines though I use to get money in, and the turn seems to be the place where you can get the most tricky.

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02-08-2006, 04:35 PM

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The first example is a horrible one. I think you will see Ax, where the x pairs, or a set a lot more than 50% of the time.

If you'd said the dude calls calls and then raises on the river, you would obviously be much more tempted to make a crying call with TPTK. But a raise on the turn after you have shown strength three times means he is either a fish who thinks his AQ is unbeatable, or he has you beaten. He's not going to fold to a re-raise; he'll probably push, but even if he calls you still don't know where you are. And on the river he's going to bet or push again, so you could lose your stack very easily here, and as any fule kno, it's madness to lose your stack with TPTK.

Pelion

02-08-2006, 05:03 PM

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sorry that second example should have been 67A or 67K.

The point is that you have hit a pair on
1) An uncoordinated board
2) A highly coordinated board.

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02-08-2006, 06:03 PM

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and as any fule kno, it's madness to lose your stack with TPTK.

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02-09-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by biondino

and as any fule kno, it's madness to lose your stack with TPTK.

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So true, but it's so hard to get away from when you see A2 showed down time and time again but bet like it's Quads.

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