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07-24-2009, 07:17 PM
Post subject: TPTK Faces River Shove
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The check behind on the turn was a damn mis-click. However, villain's play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. He's 31/13/3 over 50 hands and has been fairly aggressive post-flop in some spots. Not a real interesting hand, but does anyone not snap call here?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($10.25)
SB ($4.55)
BB ($2)
UTG ($11.95)
MP1 ($6.25)
MP2 ($13.10)
CO ($12.05)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , A
4 folds, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.90) 2 , 7, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80
Turn: ($2.50) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($2.50) J (2 players)
SB bets $3.35 (All-In), Hero calls $3.35
Total pot: $9.20 | Rake: $0.45
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funkeefeesh
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ur call is fine by me.
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you checked turn, so call river
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Fnord
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Why are you guys bloating the pot on flops like this?
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HarleyGuy13
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Fnord I am curious are you saying a small like 1/3 bet is better to keep pot small? Please eleborate!
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Gobbatino
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I'd imagine it's because villain won't continue with a very wide range on that flop so a smaller bet will accomplish the same folds. I'd bet $0.50.
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nish81
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I'd c-bet flop less, like 1/2 pot or so, and most probably call river.
Why are we checking turn behind though? I'm curious
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<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.
JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
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r9453
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Originally Posted by nish81
Why are we checking turn behind though? I'm curious
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He said it was a mis-click.
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shoneec
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Flop bet is a little too big imo. Maybe 1/2, 1/3 of the pot.
I'd also bet turn here for 2/3, 3/4 of the pot.
River can be a fold I guess because J7 and KJ can easily be in his range. I'd go for the J7 'cause he'd probably bet this turn with KJ. Slowplayed set can be possible here too, maybe A2 suited?
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philly and the phanatics
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Originally Posted by shoneec
Flop bet is a little too big imo. Maybe 1/2, 1/3 of the pot.
I'd also bet turn here for 2/3, 3/4 of the pot.
River can be a fold I guess because J7 and KJ can easily be in his range. I'd go for the J7 'cause he'd probably bet this turn with KJ. Slowplayed set can be possible here too, maybe A2 suited?
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maybe the last part, i seriously doubt anyone is calling oop j7s for 4xbb......:-/
i think its fine the whole way, i think he had pocket jacks. maybe you could have gotten a fold on the turn if you had not mis clicked. but the river murked you.
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nish81
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Originally Posted by r9453
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Originally Posted by nish81
Why are we checking turn behind though? I'm curious
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He said it was a mis-click. |
Oh my bad, my eyes sorta skipped over that part :s
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<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.
JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
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Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
Fnord I am curious are you saying a small like 1/3 bet is better to keep pot small? Please eleborate!
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i think he´s saying dont bet at all.
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Parasurama
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No I don't think so, I'm pretty sure he's saying cbet less due to the flop being rainbow, low, paired, and unconnected because that's what you would be doing with overpairs and other value hands.
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Thanks guys. So by betting this much on a ragged flop looks more like whiffed overs than a value bet. Ugh. So if I do bet 1/2 pot here on the flop... I'm still betting for value since worse hands will call but I'm not bloating the pot to where I'm chasing 6 outs with only a top pair hand. Does anyone just check behind? If this is not what y'all mean, please correct me.
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Gobbatino
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I like a 1/2 pot c-bet because it's so hard for villain to continue without a PP, 7x, and a few Ax hands that you have beat might call. That is, you manipulate villain's range to a small one that you can play against easily on the next streets and you can accomplish this without bloating the pot because there are no draws to complete to whom you could potentially give good odds/implied odds.
Please note, I may be way off here.
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JKDS
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Originally Posted by Gobbatino
I like a 1/2 pot c-bet because it's so hard for villain to continue without a PP, 7x, and a few Ax hands that you have beat might call. That is, you manipulate villain's range to a small one that you can play against easily on the next streets and you can accomplish this without bloating the pot because there are no draws to complete to whom you could potentially give good odds/implied odds.
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pretty sure this is exactly what fnord is saying
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Originally Posted by shoneec
Flop bet is a little too big imo. Maybe 1/2, 1/3 of the pot.
I'd also bet turn here for 2/3, 3/4 of the pot.
River can be a fold I guess because J7 and KJ can easily be in his range. I'd go for the J7 'cause he'd probably bet this turn with KJ. Slowplayed set can be possible here too, maybe A2 suited?
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We beat J7.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by shoneec
Flop bet is a little too big imo. Maybe 1/2, 1/3 of the pot.
I'd also bet turn here for 2/3, 3/4 of the pot.
River can be a fold I guess because J7 and KJ can easily be in his range. I'd go for the J7 'cause he'd probably bet this turn with KJ. Slowplayed set can be possible here too, maybe A2 suited?
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We beat J7. |
LOL durrrrrrr
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I think cbetting 1/2 pot and checking it back are both fine options
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by JKDS
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Originally Posted by Gobbatino
I like a 1/2 pot c-bet because it's so hard for villain to continue without a PP, 7x, and a few Ax hands that you have beat might call. That is, you manipulate villain's range to a small one that you can play against easily on the next streets and you can accomplish this without bloating the pot because there are no draws to complete to whom you could potentially give good odds/implied odds.
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pretty sure this is exactly what fnord is saying |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZwcNu1xg_A
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shoneec
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by shoneec
Flop bet is a little too big imo. Maybe 1/2, 1/3 of the pot.
I'd also bet turn here for 2/3, 3/4 of the pot.
River can be a fold I guess because J7 and KJ can easily be in his range. I'd go for the J7 'cause he'd probably bet this turn with KJ. Slowplayed set can be possible here too, maybe A2 suited?
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We beat J7. |
I fail so hard. Punch me!
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In one of Spenda's videos (don't remember if its on FTR or GS) there was a hand where he called a river over-shove because his lines just didn't make a whole lot of sense. This is exactly what I thought of when this guy shoved the river. I put him on a weaker King, thought of Spenda's video, went with my gut and basically snap-called. He showed me KQo and he shipped me his stack. Thanks for the insight guys, I'll be sure to bet lighter on flops like this for reasons already mentioned.
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