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Old 01-21-2007, 10:23 PM     Post subject: TPTK -> cbet -> raise ? #1 (permalink)  
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Hypothetical situation that I am sure happens to all of us

you are in EP with a full stack you have AQo
you bet 4xBB and villian calls also full stack and is an average player at the table.

pot is 8xBB
flop comes out Q72 rainbow
you bet 3/4 pot and get raised by villian.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I need more info, like stakes. Full ring i assume? And how much is the raise?
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:44 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Fold if villain is nitty, doesn't play back and you have tight straightforward image.
Call and check call turn+river against maniacs and let them hang themselves. If they can beat tptk good for them.

With your proper image, even 3bet/call all-In can be +EV if someone know you are chronic c-bettor and capable of re-stealing raised c-bets with air. Sometimes people are so pissed at bullying c-bettors and can't stand pressure so they do lots of stupid shit like going overaggro with total crap TPNK or worse. This is when well timed read can win you a stack.

No info about players and current table dynamic make this really hard because you hold moderate hand and implied threat of 100BB showdown.

However, if you don't want to abandon this hand on flop just like missed AK, you can call the raise/lead turn or just check the turn and see what he does. If he makes pressure bet on turn, grit your teeth and fold.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:17 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Low stakes you're better off folding this. Whenever I look this up I'm behind.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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at 50NL I have generally found that I am behind as well. usually 2 pair (yes I have seen Q7s here) or a set. but every now and then I 3 bet it back and they fold. usually when I 3 bet it back I loose a stack. If I call, check/call turn and river I usually lose 1/2 stack, sometimes I get some back door bullshit, but the more I think about it, usually I am behind.

gotta start folding more

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Old 01-22-2007, 01:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Yeah I think I felted an overpair on the flop 3 times or so in this scenario, twice vs a set and the third time:

I PFR KK, call. flop T62. Lead out for pot, big raise, I shove, villain takes my stack with 62o........
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