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Old 08-10-2009, 10:58 PM     Post subject: TPTK on BU vs 2 Unknowns #1 (permalink)  
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Update: Calculations done for this hand further down. No more analysis needed. TY spoon.

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CO ($1.85)
Hero (Button) ($9.85)
SB ($10.85)
BB ($5.80)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($14.70)
MP1 ($4.25)
MP2 ($8.25)
MP3 ($27.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.55, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.45, MP2 calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.80) 9, J, 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.20, MP2 calls $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.40) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.90, MP2 calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($8.10) 10 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $2, MP2 calls $2, Hero calls $2

Total pot: $14.10 | Rake: $0.65
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Read this.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...in-t87954.html

You're missing the parts where you decide how much equity you need to call, put your opponents on ranges, and evaluate your equity against those ranges. Aka the whole post.
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You're right, of course. But it's a lot to ask for a beginner's section of the forum. Just saying. We should all aim high, but we're not all Sklansky from the start.
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Reading the reference link. Will respond after digesting. Thx.

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 On the turn I'd take the .90 bet as a check and just bet (raise) for value and to make draws pay a price that doesn't allow them to play +EV against us. We don't have much of a reason to think we aren't comfortably ahead of both of these villain's ranges on the turn. The 3 is actually a good card since it makes very 33 unlikely.

This is maybe quite an unbalacned line given we've called the flop, but at 10NL I think we can get away with it, especially since this guys bad enough to bet 1/6th of the pot.

Like spoon says, try making a range for your call on the river for both these villains then stove your equity in the pot and work out whether your getting a price to make the river call profitable.

 
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Ok, I'm home from work so let's do this. I've read Spoons post (linked above) and here's what I got.

By the river, I'm discounting diamond draws since we're getting a bet and yet another call. UTG limp/called PF and by the river I can narrow his range down to JT+, 99, KQ, QT, A9s, T9. MP2 also limp/called PF so I'm not expecting anything spectacular to show up here as well. His range consists of KQ, A9, 87, QT, T9, J8+. Generally the same range as UTG and both I think are kind of wide, but oh well.

Our equity against these ranges combined is: 21.684% (below)
I need to call $2 into an $12.10 pot = 2/(2+12.10) = 14.18%
This is less than than our equity of 21.684% so it's a +EV call.

FWIW UTG showed :Jc: and MP2 showed :Jh: :Qh:

UTG ended up being a total fish (for obvious reasons) and I proceeded to win almost 4 BI from him until he left.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  19,314  games     0.015 secs     1,287,600  games/sec

Board: 9d Jd 3s 3h Tc
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	42.404%  	39.05% 	03.36% 	          7542 	      648.00   { 99, A9s, KQs, QTs, T9s, KQo, QTo, T9o }
Hand 1: 	35.912%  	32.56% 	03.36% 	          6288 	      648.00   { A9s, KQs, QTs, T9s, 87s, A9o, KQo, QTo, T9o, 87o }
Hand 2: 	21.684%  	21.68% 	00.00% 	          4188 	        0.00   { AJo }
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