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Old 05-08-2009, 04:47 PM     Post subject: TPTK against a loose player #1 (permalink)  
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 This guy was almost a maniac. I put him on Ax or straight draw. What is the correct move?

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UTG+1 ($1.97)
MP1 ($2.78)
Hero (MP2) ($2.04)
CO ($3.83)
Button ($0.77)
SB ($2)
BB ($9.09)
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, A
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, Button calls $0.08, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.09) 2, A, 9 (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.09) J (2 players)
BB bets $8.09 (All-In), Hero calls $1.04 (All-In)

River: ($4.17) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $4.17 | Rake: $0.27
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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What straight draw KT,KQ,QT,T8?
If he is a maniac I don't mind getting it all in with TPTK
opponent can easily have AX or paired his J and is going crazy.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:14 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 What do you mean what is the correct move? You have TPTK against a maniac in a 4bet pot. Of course your calling flop and turn. Nice hand.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:34 PM #4 (permalink)  
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What makes you say almost a maniac?

I think you played it right. No way you are getting away after investing half your stack already against a maniac with TPTK. What I want to know is if anyone thinks shoving the flop vs this guy might have been better?


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Old 05-08-2009, 06:22 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Well I'm glad to know I did everything right. He had a freaking A2o. Lost the hand.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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 I wouldn't Lockpull. It's a 4bet pot with AK on Axx board. The only reasonable hand he has on the flop that beats you is AA. If he does have something like AQ/AJ/KK/QQ we can expect him to fold those hands some % of the time to a flop raise. However, given his tendency that he is on the maniac side and therefore likes to bet we can assume he will bet most of those hands, plus more that he thinks is good (or bluffing) on the turn.

Not to mention we would be turning out hand face up as we would not shove the flop with KK, QQ, AJ, etc. Add to this the fact that we aren't scared of many turn cards, and I think it's a clear call.
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 And I said he was almost a maniac, cause he was loose, however I did see him fold a couple of hands as well.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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might as well be jamming the flop given the preflop action. we're obviously not folding after hitting our hand
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And I said he was almost a maniac, cause he was loose, however I did see him fold a couple of hands as well.
I forget that you do not have HEM ot PT yet... so I more meant stats..... but that is mute point.

Stacks.... but the SPR says (j/k)

Good points. Let the maniac value town himself with his weaker holdings and TRY to pay him off as little as possible with his stronger holdings.


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Old 05-08-2009, 08:52 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 I'm sorry but his preflop action = A2o is pretty hilarious imo.

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 Already did.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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 NO. BACK OFF. HE'S MY FISH!

lol jk. It was on Full Tilt. And I'm at work so I don't have his name on me either.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:28 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 Get your own fish Vinland, jeez. You'll be getting a ton of these maniacs at 2NL. They are what helped me go through 2NL so easily. TPTK = nuts against these players. They have no sense of kickers at these stakes. Outkick them and you'll fly through the stakes. That's why it's so important to play good hands down at the 2NL.

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Old 05-09-2009, 06:38 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Fish here.. fish there! lol

Anyhow.. i beleive you played it right. Also. I dont see you getting out of the hand, you were pot comited anyways! vnh
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:43 AM #17 (permalink)  
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What do you mean what is the correct move? You have TPTK against a maniac in a 4bet pot. Of course your calling flop and turn. Nice hand.
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