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HarleyGuy13
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12-18-2008, 06:12 AM
Post subject: TPTK ?
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villian was new to the table. 3rd hand since he sat down and he had put money in each pot.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($8.83)
MP2 ($6.94)
CO ($5.20)
Button ($1.67)
Hero (SB) ($2.04)
BB ($2.80)
UTG ($4.62)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , A
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, Button calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, Button calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.32) 10 , Q , 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.45, Button raises to $1.53 (All-In), Hero??
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Ragnar4
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My 2 cents here. I think just about anyone worth his salt is raising QQ, and TT on the button when folded to.
So those two hands become a very narrow part of his range. a set of 22 is possible, and QT is plausable, but I also think he may be trying to get it in here with any combination of 2 clubs he can muster.
With the knowledge that he's played 3 hands in a row.. I think you're way ahead here.. Get it in and make a note.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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nice_aiau
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insta-fist pump imo.
I think the fact that hes played every hand is the key.
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TLR
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I would definitely call here, I think you are way ahead of his range, I can easily see this line of play with KQ, QJ, KJ, 2 clubs etc...
He may have slowplayed hands like AA,KK,QQ,TT but it is not likely, I agree with Rangar4 that if you are beat its probably to 22 or QT and I am paying them off here
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Galapogos
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If you didn't want to stack off you shouldn't have played the hand this way. Work on standard value lines at these stakes. No need to get tricky with a guy who's calling you down with a pair of tens anyway.
And as played call.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Vrax
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Given the flop line you took, it's easiest call ever.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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HarleyGuy13
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
If you didn't want to stack off you shouldn't have played the hand this way. Work on standard value lines at these stakes. No need to get tricky with a guy who's calling you down with a pair of tens anyway.
And as played call.
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Please explain? Was this not a pretty standard bet? Should I have bet it differently? Or should I have shoved as soon as he re-raised me?
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"You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it 
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
If you didn't want to stack off you shouldn't have played the hand this way. Work on standard value lines at these stakes. No need to get tricky with a guy who's calling you down with a pair of tens anyway.
And as played call.
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Please explain? Was this not a pretty standard bet? Should I have bet it differently? Or should I have shoved as soon as he re-raised me?
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you raised PF and c/r'ed the flop, that's pretty far from a standard continuation bet.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
If you didn't want to stack off you shouldn't have played the hand this way. Work on standard value lines at these stakes. No need to get tricky with a guy who's calling you down with a pair of tens anyway.
And as played call.
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Please explain? Was this not a pretty standard bet? Should I have bet it differently? Or should I have shoved as soon as he re-raised me?
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No, I mean he's an unknown at 10nl, so likely very passive. Most of your value from these guy's is going to come from bet/bet/bet. Especially on this flop with some nice draws out there. Way too often he's going to check it back an d you'll miss a street of value/give him a free card.
The key to micros is these guys put way more money in the pot by calling rather than betting.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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HarleyGuy13
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
If you didn't want to stack off you shouldn't have played the hand this way. Work on standard value lines at these stakes. No need to get tricky with a guy who's calling you down with a pair of tens anyway.
And as played call.
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Please explain? Was this not a pretty standard bet? Should I have bet it differently? Or should I have shoved as soon as he re-raised me?
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you raised PF and c/r'ed the flop, that's pretty far from a standard continuation bet.
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OK OK Now I get the point!
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"You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it 
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dranger7070
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What these guys are saying Harley is that by raising PF you took the initiative in the hand. By check/raising the flop you might scare him off some of the hands you beat, and only get called by better (not always true obviously, but I think it's reasonable to assume that.)
Obviously what Spenda, galop, and myself are saying is that you should have just led out on flop probly around a 3/4 to pot sized bet or somewhere in that area to make him drawing to the flush/straight incorrect.
Next time you'll know. 
Hope it worked out!
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