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**kickass** · 08-07-2012 07:35 PM

just gone 3 handed

villain is 29/17 small sample f23b 2/5 no real reads as to post
bb is aggro short stacker 3b 15% from blinds. didn't want him coming along or squeezing. I don't really think they're good reasons

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
BTN ($34.85) 139bb
kick (SB) ($35.58) 142bb
BB ($15.09) 60bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 3 players) kick is SB

BTN raises to $1 ($33.85), kick raises to $2.75 ($32.73), BB folds ($14.84), BTN calls $1.75 ($32.10)

Flop:

($5.75, 2 players)
kick bets $2.75 ($30.08), BTN calls $2.75 ($29.35)

Turn:

($11.25, 2 players)
kick bets $6.50 ($23.58), BTN snap calls $6.50 ($22.85)

River:

($24.25, 2 players)
kick ($23.58)?

**bikes** · 08-07-2012 08:11 PM

ughhhhhhh. b/f $7.25

**bikes** · 08-09-2012 07:14 PM

OI THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT HAND HISTORY AND IM THE ONLY ONE GIVING ADVICE? WTF?

**Miffed22001** · 08-09-2012 07:49 PM

barf

surely the river is a c/f

i really hate a turn bet getting called - but i gues if in doubt b/f but then im lost on the river. FFS we lose even to KJ

but i do wanna shove....

the only hands that make sense are sets, better King (say AK/KQ - KJ seems not good) and hands that SD value preflop like QQ/JJ/TT that just dont believe your 2 barrels on a relativly blank board

**BorisTheSpider** · 08-09-2012 10:10 PM

I'd c/f river. Can't see much mileage in a b/f - I think we're so rarely getting value, and we can't be bluffing with a 1/3 psb that everything better calls. If I was going to bluff I'd shove, but I much prefer just giving up.

**surviva316** · 08-09-2012 11:42 PM

How much does he open the button?

Regardless, I probably check turn. We're only getting two streets of value out of split pair anyway and they only have 2 outs against us. He didn't flop a draw and second pair has now either become two pair or third pair.

**supa** · 08-11-2012 01:16 AM

I don't think we're ahead often enough once he calls the turn, or, like surviva said,even ahead often enough to merit a bet on the turn. Iunno. Shitty spot.

Now that we're at the river b/fing small might be good because we'll win the pot more often than c/fing. I think. Maybe. Dunno. Nevermind.

**ColdDecked** · 08-11-2012 03:54 AM

Anybody like x/c turn x/f river?

**Shotglass** · 08-11-2012 05:12 AM

I like a bet fold small but idk how much...my sizing suks in these situations.
On top of that it almost seems as if we're throwing good $$$ after bad but our other options (c/c, c/f, c/r, shove) suk just as much, if not more. Friggin horrible spot to be in.

**surviva316** · 08-11-2012 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by surviva316

How much does he open the button?

?

**The Bean Counter** · 08-13-2012 07:29 PM

I'd c/f river. We're not beating much in a 3bet pot and villain's snap call on turn suggests he's just clicking buttons and isn't folding to a bet on nearly all river cards.

I doubt villain is decent enough to pick a small b/f for what it is, but surely we're just asking to be shoved on by any half-decent player when we b/f small?

**kickass** · 08-21-2012 05:35 PM

sorry to surviva, been away for a while family shizzzz
he opened but 4/6 buttons if your still interested.

**Icanhastreebet** · 08-22-2012 03:22 PM

Pretty sure I like c/c turn and bet river if he checks the most. c/f river is we c/c turn obv. I also think you can c/f turn if he bets pretty big.

Oh edit: since he snapped the turn I would be pretty happy to shove now if he is a bit of a station, if he isn't then just bet like 1/3 pot.

08-07-2012 07:35 PM #1
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 889 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	TP and unsure of any good actions just gone 3 handed villain is 29/17 small sample f23b 2/5 no real reads as to post bb is aggro short stacker 3b 15% from blinds. didn't want him coming along or squeezing. I don't really think they're good reasons $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem PokerStars 3 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: BTN ($34.85) 139bb kick (SB) ($35.58) 142bb BB ($15.09) 60bb Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 3 players) kick is SB BTN raises to $1 ($33.85), kick raises to $2.75 ($32.73), BB folds ($14.84), BTN calls $1.75 ($32.10) Flop: ($5.75, 2 players) kick bets $2.75 ($30.08), BTN calls $2.75 ($29.35) Turn: ($11.25, 2 players) kick bets $6.50 ($23.58), BTN snap calls $6.50 ($22.85) River: ($24.25, 2 players) kick ($23.58)?
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08-07-2012 08:11 PM #2
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08-09-2012 07:14 PM #3
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08-09-2012 07:49 PM #4
Miffed22001 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 10,440 Location Marry Me Cheryl!!!	barf surely the river is a c/f i really hate a turn bet getting called - but i gues if in doubt b/f but then im lost on the river. FFS we lose even to KJ but i do wanna shove.... the only hands that make sense are sets, better King (say AK/KQ - KJ seems not good) and hands that SD value preflop like QQ/JJ/TT that just dont believe your 2 barrels on a relativly blank board

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08-09-2012 10:10 PM #5
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	I'd c/f river. Can't see much mileage in a b/f - I think we're so rarely getting value, and we can't be bluffing with a 1/3 psb that everything better calls. If I was going to bluff I'd shove, but I much prefer just giving up.

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08-09-2012 11:42 PM #6
surviva316 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Join Date Feb 2009 Posts 2,802 Location missing deadlines, pissing people off, frustrating myself	How much does he open the button? Regardless, I probably check turn. We're only getting two streets of value out of split pair anyway and they only have 2 outs against us. He didn't flop a draw and second pair has now either become two pair or third pair.
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08-11-2012 01:16 AM #7
supa View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 3,340 Location At the bar drinking whisky with an "e"	I don't think we're ahead often enough once he calls the turn, or, like surviva said,even ahead often enough to merit a bet on the turn. Iunno. Shitty spot. Now that we're at the river b/fing small might be good because we'll win the pot more often than c/fing. I think. Maybe. Dunno. Nevermind.
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08-11-2012 03:54 AM #8
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08-11-2012 05:12 AM #9
Shotglass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2010 Posts 1,745 Location feelin' allright	I like a bet fold small but idk how much...my sizing suks in these situations. On top of that it almost seems as if we're throwing good $$$ after bad but our other options (c/c, c/f, c/r, shove) suk just as much, if not more. Friggin horrible spot to be in.
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08-11-2012 11:08 PM #10
surviva316 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Join Date Feb 2009 Posts 2,802 Location missing deadlines, pissing people off, frustrating myself	Originally Posted by surviva316 How much does he open the button? ?
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08-13-2012 07:29 PM #11
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 338	I'd c/f river. We're not beating much in a 3bet pot and villain's snap call on turn suggests he's just clicking buttons and isn't folding to a bet on nearly all river cards. I doubt villain is decent enough to pick a small b/f for what it is, but surely we're just asking to be shoved on by any half-decent player when we b/f small?
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08-21-2012 05:35 PM #12
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 889 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	sorry to surviva, been away for a while family shizzzz he opened but 4/6 buttons if your still interested.
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08-22-2012 03:22 PM #13
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	Pretty sure I like c/c turn and bet river if he checks the most. c/f river is we c/c turn obv. I also think you can c/f turn if he bets pretty big. Oh edit: since he snapped the turn I would be pretty happy to shove now if he is a bit of a station, if he isn't then just bet like 1/3 pot.

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