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bobdor
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10-16-2008, 03:23 AM
Post subject: Top two deep on river with draw-ey board
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Minnesota, US
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I don't remember any reads on the villian. I really should have been thinking more about stack sizes on the flop/turn. I was pretty sure he had a queen so I wasn't too worried about the flush on the river. Thoughts?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($15.71)
UTG ($9.93)
MP ($3.51)
CO ($12.71)
Button ($12.11)
SB ($3.49)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , A
3 folds, Button raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, Button calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.02) Q , 4, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75
Turn: ($2.52) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2
River: ($6.52) A (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises to $8.86 (All-In), Hero calls $1.86
Total pot: $24.24 | Rake: $1.15
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the ace didn't help your hand at all because Q4 and Q5 are not in his range
the only hand you improved against is KK
I'd check the river
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bobdor
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Join Date: May 2008
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Yeah, I really should have been thinking about what he'd call with that I beat. I'm just really torn because I put him pretty strongly on a weak queen (weaker than mine at least.) I probably was putting too much faith in my reads, but he did end up showing Q3o (LDO :P) which makes me tempted to do this again. I have a hard time seeing him do this on a come hand, but i guess there are sets he could have too. In the end I felt like he'd bet with any two checked to and tried to get some fold equity.
But... this hand bugs the hell out of me.
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he could easily have had a flush draw, which completed by the river
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al yell
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Originally Posted by iopq
I'd check the river
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+1
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Fnord
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Tough river because worse hands will often find a fold.
Check the river, then think about his bet size and how stabby he is.
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bigspenda73
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PF 3betting size yo
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
PF 3betting size yo
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This too. ...and I don't even bomb it as big as some of the guys here.
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wellrounded08
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I dont' know.... I mean... if we assume that villain is dumb enough to have hands that beat us(and play them like this)
Flush Draw of K and J-(weird hand to call pre with, and bad draw to call turn with)
Any sets(IE who that is good doesn't raise somewhere in those two streets with a set?
and a 3x hand
then we have to assume that villain is holding possibly ALOT of hands that we beat: KK AK KQ QJ 45 JJ A5 A4 A2 (all of which and more call the river 1/3 or so bet)
I don't know what I do alot of the time. I think I throw out a bet on the river. I don't bet pot by any means, but I bet. and I think some hands that have us beat here. possibly a set, or a weak flush(not always, but enough of the time to make it profitable) call.
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wellrounded08
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Just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting that c/f is BAD by any means. Or c/c up to certain sized bets. I'm trying to consider most EV here though.
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bigspenda73
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
PF 3betting size yo
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This too. ...and I don't even bomb it as big as some of the guys here. |
Im like 3x IP and 3.5OOP
I dont see how this size is ever practical OOP unless your opponent opens like 50% in LP and folds to 3bets a ton, even then, I'd probably flat AQ here if that was the case.
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bobdor
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Join Date: May 2008
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Thanks for the replies. I need to work on my 3bet sizing and placement. This isn't really the place and that's now how I should do it anyways.
I can see now how I pushed out any value from hands that don't beat me and put my stack up for grabs. I wish I remember why I put him so hard on a pair, because if that was a good read I could see a b/f on the river, but I don't even remember and without that I'd need to check, see what he does, and (in this case) grumble and fold.
I think this is one of the biggest leaks I need to work on right now, betting when I only get calls from better hands. That and trying to buy pots in general. :P
(PS: Wow, I'm always amazed how much clearer things become when I post hands.)
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