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Old 02-28-2009, 09:28 AM     Post subject: Top Top+ flush draw #1 (permalink)  
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I played this hand on while tilting. Hopefully only a bi product of being down 7 buy in's below my ev line in last 9k hands. Hey at least my EV line is running in the positive. My ev line runs hot

Anyways after the reraise on flop I don't think I could have check called down without getting it all in by river. Unless I simply was able to keep less than a dollar from going in. I was a big dog here and only had %30 equity. Should there have been a different way of playing this? I mean I know that last part sounds silly but in overall lines am I worried about much my opponent could have here short of drawing out two pair for the win. Either I am way ahead or way behind line correct?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($7.85)
UTG+1 ($10.10)
MP1 ($2.05)
Hero (MP2) ($10.15)
CO ($3.35)
Button ($2)
SB ($13.30)
BB ($2)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.50, CO (poster) calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.10) 9, K, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.90, Hero raises $2.70, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises $5.40, Hero raises $6.95 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $3.30 (All-In)

Turn: ($21.30) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($21.30) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.30
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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you have at least 50 percent equity, probably more. even if he has a set, you have 30 percent equity. top pair and flush draw is such a monster, you have to get your money in as quick as possible. I don't understand where you said that you were behind. ship it every time
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 You're obviously being results orientated, this is completely standrad. Your equity is way enough to get it in on this flop.

Considering check calling here is terrible becuase our equity is currently awesome and may not be as great on non spade turns facing a bet.

 
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 If you hadn't lost it, you wouldn't be posting it. Stacking off here is completely standard. If you don't see why - get pokerstove.

Only one thing really:
How do you play this after the $0.9 bet on the flop with:
AK, AA, a set, AQ

and why.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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If you hadn't lost it, you wouldn't be posting it. Stacking off here is completely standard. If you don't see why - get pokerstove.

Only one thing really:
How do you play this after the $0.9 bet on the flop with:
AK, AA, a set, AQ

and why.
I do have pokerstove just when I saw I was an actuall 70-30 underdog I thought maybe there was a better way to play this hand

AK, I would call depending on his stats if they were solid and then possibly fold to a larger bet on the turn. I do this as standard line for sets villians who are oop tend to tripple barrel with sets trying to get value out of you. Vs also sometimes when villians lead out in this spot. I am not sure if this is called a donk bet or not. But they bet out to see if you hit the flop are gauge how strong your hand is. If they have something like KQ they ussually check back on the turn. If they fire another bullet I fold. (Dough! I didn't put stats in, sorry)

AA, I raise the flop bet for information with the full intent of folding to a reraise or an all in. (Again villian stats dependant) Or if the opponent wants to extract more value out of me. Realizing I have nasty rockets to call my raise. And check raise me on the turn so that I lose another bet before I fold. Or if my opponent leads out for a large bet on the turn. This line screams monster and I would just straght fold.

AQ, Would probably call the flop bet and see how big his bet would be on the turn. As even though I am not getting the correct pot odds for a flush draw with possibly one over card on the flop. If he has a hand like noted above KQ and is going to check back on the turn. I can get another card for free or have the option of trying to steal the hand. Although with a bet the size of the one on the flop. I am not sure I can steal this pot from this player.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:32 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 You need to start thinking in ranges. Not "I think he has x, so..."
You are a 70/30 dog against 99,88,KK, but that can't possibly be his whole range. Without reads you can't discard all kinds of sc's and random trash from an EP open limp. - Create a range and try again with pokerstove.

I don't understand why you make such a big distinction between AK and AA here. There's only one more hand that beats you with AK and you can pretty much discard that one based on preflop.

What I wanted to hear from your are your bet sizes. With AA, AK, you want to deny them the odds to draw. In a multi-way pot with this board it is very likely that somebody is drawing to either a flush or a straight. You're not really doing that with the raise you made. IMO you are representing pretty much exactly what you have. You want extra value, but you also want them to try and draw. That's probably not so bad at this level though.

Also you're not raising for information (what information???) - You should be raising AK/AA for value here, and I wouldn't even consider folding to a 3-bet or on a blank turn based on the flop texture.

If you have a HUD, please provide the stats for all villains next time.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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