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Werddown
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05-24-2006, 09:18 AM
Post subject: Top set on suited flop vs mutliple opponents?
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Someone raises 3x preflop and 2 players and yourself call the bet (making it 4 handed)
The flop comes and you flop top set but the flop is completely suited.
Someone bets the flop in front of you.
How do you play this hand?
If you raise and someone pushes, do you fold or call?
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jackvance
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05-24-2006, 12:46 PM
Post subject: Re: Top set on suited flop vs mutliple opponents?
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Originally Posted by Werddown
The flop comes and you flop top set but the flop is completely suited and you do not hold a card of that suit.
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It'd be kinda impossible to hold a card of that suit in this scenario..
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If you raise and someone pushes, do you fold or call?
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Depends on your opponent (read), stack sizes, etc. Generally, your odds to boat up over turn+river are the same as a straight draw. But ofcourse they might not have the flush. In practice, if stacks aren't too deep, I call..
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Werddown
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05-24-2006, 03:28 PM
Post subject: Re: Top set on suited flop vs mutliple opponents?
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Originally Posted by jackvance
It'd be kinda impossible to hold a card of that suit in this scenario..
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lol you're right it would
whatever you know what I mean
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If you raise here and villain pushes, you have to rely on your reads. If it's 3-bet but not an all in, you can assume he has the flush (still dependant on reads however). Here, you would be relying on your outs and only calling if the implied odds are good enough to.
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
If you raise here and villain pushes, you have to rely on your reads. If it's 3-bet but not an all in, you can assume he has the flush (still dependant on reads however). Here, you would be relying on your outs and only calling if the implied odds are good enough to.
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Implied odds on calling an all in? Thats an oxymoron. There are no implied odds on calling an AI.
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Implied odds on calling an all in? Thats an oxymoron. There are no implied odds on calling an AI.
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If it's 3-bet but not an all in
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He said if 3-bet and not an allin.
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It's very hard for me to lay down top set on this flop. I have done it before. Four handed a little easier to do. Heads up I would not fold it. I would also have to feel like I was dealing with a solid player. After all even if you are beat you ahev around a 30% draw.
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How connected is the board? I like a flop of 2 6 J a lot more when I had JJ rather than 9 T J
IMO this is down to reads. A lot of people would push A or K acting like an already made flush. Almost always I will raise here, I don't think calling is good.
If I raise and it gets pushed, it is down to reads mainly. The few times I fold a flopped set come down to situations like this. It also has to do with the pot size. If you're only left with $10 behind in a $50 pot it wouldn't make much sense to fold, I would call hope to fill up, even if you're sure he has the flush.
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I'll always call this bet, and look to fill up. If it ends up HU, and he leads again on a blank turn, I will sometimes raise it (not min, not huge) to see what he does. Having position here is important as well as knowing if said villan will bet this way on the draw.
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
If you raise here and villain pushes, you have to rely on your reads. If it's 3-bet but not an all in, you can assume he has the flush (still dependant on reads however). Here, you would be relying on your outs and only calling if the implied odds are good enough to.
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There are no implied odds on calling an AI. |
I agree.
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