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Old 01-28-2010, 03:59 PM     Post subject: top pocket pair with no overpair on flop v shortstack =shove #1 (permalink)  
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SB ($0.86)
BB ($5.43)
UTG ($3.01)
MP ($1.81)
Hero (Button) ($5.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.09, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.24) 5, 7, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.24) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.76 (All-In)

River: ($1.76) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.76 | Rake: $0.05

Villain has stats of 30/4/5 so I figured he would call me down with anything.

Right move?
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:12 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Why not bet the flop?
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Good question.

My thinking at the time was take the free card, see if a set comes up and fold. When I saw it was another low card, I thought eff it.
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:47 PM #4 (permalink)  

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littleogre has a little shameless behaviour in the past
 if i check that that flop the chance of a 6 of hearts or some other shit card coming on the turn is 100 percent
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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lol why 80c... how about flop 18 turn 50
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:14 PM #6 (permalink)  
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"My thinking at the time was take the free card, see if a set comes up and fold."

By this statement are you saying If an 8 doesnt come your c/f any turn card? You should be betting strongly for value on the flop from FD, SDs, and AX.

Basically what every one else said. By not betting this flop, your giving the VILLAIN a free card( great odds to draw) and putting yourself in a situation where you have to bet something redic on the turn if your trying to get it in.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:16 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Also,villains gunna have a range...so try putting him on one other than "his stats are X/Y/Z so hes gunna show up with any two."
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:57 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 My thinking at the time was take the free card, see if a set comes up and fold. When I saw it was another low card, I thought eff it.

If you are only playing 88 for set value in position then just open limp it would make more money then raise check check go all in where only a better hand calls and there isn't enough money in the pot to make such shove.

Can you just once try putting him on a range? instead of "calling down with anything" really he is going to call you down with 72? Was this a value bet?

Like what are you trying to accomplish? plus 30/4/5 isn't that horrible, I would suspect that his calling range on preflop would be less than 30, some may even guess it would only be 22-jj kqs and some suited connectors.

What is your goal in poker? Make money? have fun? torment BC posters?

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Old 01-28-2010, 06:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Put him on a fucking range one fucking time
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:56 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 villain's range is hella wide. Ax, broadways, scs, pairs. You beat most of this on the flop, and he's calling with a bunch of hands that you beat = flush draws/straight draws/7x/5x/66
just under pot flop, same on turn, ez game (20c/60c)

overbet effective shoving the turn is silly
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 01-28-2010, 09:37 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:44 PM #12 (permalink)  
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