Top Pair w/ Flush Draw?

**JonBonJovi** · 05-16-2012 09:12 AM

Hey guys, need some help on knowing whether or not this was the correct decision, as this situation has come up several times before. Villain was 29/17 over 24 hands, very small sample size. I basically figured he either had AT, an overpair or a set. My reason for raising the turn was to induce a fold if he held AT or an overpair, maybe this was the wrong play? not really sure what else I should have done in this situation as I feel like I can't fold and if the club doesn't come on the river I've lost so much to the pot and just have to throw the hand away to a large bet.

Any opinions/criticism would be great, thanks.

MP: $3.31
CO: $3.95
BTN: $3.94
SB: $3.88
Hero (BB): $3.76
UTG: $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T

Q

UTG raises to $0.16, fold, CO calls $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) 4

5

T

Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36, fold

Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, CO bets $0.87, Hero raises to $2.82, CO raises to $3.43 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.42 and is all-in

River: ($7.70, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:

Hero shows T

Q

(One Pair, Tens) (Pre 38%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
CO shows T

T

(Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 62%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
CO wins $7.32

**BorisTheSpider** · 05-16-2012 01:22 PM

Unless UTG is a massive drooler, fold preflop.

As played, flat call turn then check-fold river unimproved.

**Hoopy** · 05-16-2012 01:46 PM

I think check calling this turn is a better play than check/jamming like you did. Better hands won't fold and minus the read that he's really bad worse hands will rarely call. When we get it in we probably have between 18-25% equity.

Basically I really doubt AT/JJ are folding and we have decent equity + some implied odds vs most hands.

**JonBonJovi** · 05-16-2012 02:46 PM

Thanks guys, appreciate the input.

**MadMojoMonkey** · 05-16-2012 03:39 PM

Turn is where it all went wrong, obv. Hero has TPGK and FD. Action from the villain indicates that TPGK is marginal here. Cheap showdown is preferred. The FD on the turn is slightly less than 20% to hit on the river, and the Q high flush might not be enough to win (if it's a cooler). Small hands play small pots. Unless the river is the Ace of clubs (which means Villain did not have NFD on turn and gives Hero 2nd nuts), Hero should play passively.

Basically, this is a bad spot to attempt a bluff. Not many villains at this level are going to fold the range you put this villain on. If Villain is bluffing, give him/her another chance to bluff on the river and call down only if you have a read that puts Villain on a weak range (which in this case, you have indicated that you don't), otherwise, fold. It looks like you put villain on a range that was ahead of you and anything you could reasonably represent. This situation is very tempting to bluff at, since you know you can't win otherwise, but is almost always going to be spew if you go for it.

Remember: It's not about winning every hand, or even every hand you might have won if you didn't fold; it's about finding spots where you have an edge, and pressing that edge.

**OngBonga** · 05-16-2012 03:48 PM

Calling pre is fine, we have a hand that hits flops well and has the potential to cooler utg's range.
Turn I'm calling, this river is a c/f or c/c, depends on sizing and if I think he can triple barrel with worse.

**d0zer** · 05-18-2012 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by JonBonJovi

I basically figured he either had AT, an overpair or a set. My reason for raising the turn was to induce a fold if he held AT or an overpair

lol. pretty much never try to make microstake players try to fold TPTK+, it rarely ends well.

05-16-2012 09:12 AM #1
JonBonJovi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 14	Top Pair w/ Flush Draw? Hey guys, need some help on knowing whether or not this was the correct decision, as this situation has come up several times before. Villain was 29/17 over 24 hands, very small sample size. I basically figured he either had AT, an overpair or a set. My reason for raising the turn was to induce a fold if he held AT or an overpair, maybe this was the wrong play? not really sure what else I should have done in this situation as I feel like I can't fold and if the club doesn't come on the river I've lost so much to the pot and just have to throw the hand away to a large bet. Any opinions/criticism would be great, thanks. MP: $3.31 CO: $3.95 BTN: $3.94 SB: $3.88 Hero (BB): $3.76 UTG: $4.00 SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04 Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T Q UTG raises to $0.16, fold, CO calls $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12 Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) 4 5 T Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36, fold Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) 2 Hero checks, CO bets $0.87, Hero raises to $2.82, CO raises to $3.43 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.42 and is all-in River: ($7.70, 2 players) 6 Spoiler: Hero shows T Q (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 38%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%) CO shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 62%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%) CO wins $7.32

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05-16-2012 01:22 PM #2
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	Unless UTG is a massive drooler, fold preflop. As played, flat call turn then check-fold river unimproved.

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05-16-2012 01:46 PM #3
Hoopy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2009 Posts 1,665 Location Riverballs	I think check calling this turn is a better play than check/jamming like you did. Better hands won't fold and minus the read that he's really bad worse hands will rarely call. When we get it in we probably have between 18-25% equity. Basically I really doubt AT/JJ are folding and we have decent equity + some implied odds vs most hands.
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05-16-2012 02:46 PM #4
JonBonJovi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 14	Thanks guys, appreciate the input.

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05-16-2012 03:39 PM #5
MadMojoMonkey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2012 Posts 1,230 Location St Louis, MO	Turn is where it all went wrong, obv. Hero has TPGK and FD. Action from the villain indicates that TPGK is marginal here. Cheap showdown is preferred. The FD on the turn is slightly less than 20% to hit on the river, and the Q high flush might not be enough to win (if it's a cooler). Small hands play small pots. Unless the river is the Ace of clubs (which means Villain did not have NFD on turn and gives Hero 2nd nuts), Hero should play passively. Basically, this is a bad spot to attempt a bluff. Not many villains at this level are going to fold the range you put this villain on. If Villain is bluffing, give him/her another chance to bluff on the river and call down only if you have a read that puts Villain on a weak range (which in this case, you have indicated that you don't), otherwise, fold. It looks like you put villain on a range that was ahead of you and anything you could reasonably represent. This situation is very tempting to bluff at, since you know you can't win otherwise, but is almost always going to be spew if you go for it. Remember: It's not about winning every hand, or even every hand you might have won if you didn't fold; it's about finding spots where you have an edge, and pressing that edge.

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05-16-2012 03:48 PM #6
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,304 Location England	Calling pre is fine, we have a hand that hits flops well and has the potential to cooler utg's range. Turn I'm calling, this river is a c/f or c/c, depends on sizing and if I think he can triple barrel with worse.
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05-18-2012 06:19 PM #7
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,220	Originally Posted by JonBonJovi I basically figured he either had AT, an overpair or a set. My reason for raising the turn was to induce a fold if he held AT or an overpair lol. pretty much never try to make microstake players try to fold TPTK+, it rarely ends well.

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