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IowaSkinsFan
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10-14-2005, 02:38 AM
Post subject: top pair vs mid pair with flush draw on flop?
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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i just looked up the odds at
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds...ldem/index.php
and mid pair with flush draw is favor vs top pair on the flop by .2%. This suprised me.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds...oiMC4wMDUiO30=
But i think there is a small glitch in this site because when the top pair has a runner runner straight draw nothing changes...
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds...oiMC4wMDUiO30=
Is this site wrong? shouldn't the runner runner straight draw make top pair a bit favored?
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Blinky
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Flush
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Code:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1280316
pokenum -h qc th - 9s 7s -- qs 9h 4s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 4s 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Th 494 49.90 496 50.10 0 0.00 0.499
9s 7s 496 50.10 494 49.90 0 0.00 0.501
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1280314
pokenum -h kc 8h - 9s 7s -- ks 9h 4s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ks 4s 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc 8h 494 49.90 496 50.10 0 0.00 0.499
9s 7s 496 50.10 494 49.90 0 0.00 0.501
Interesting topic. I guess the edge is so small that it's statistically insignificant.
Anyways, screw it. With the flush draw and middle pair you push push push.
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allLiving
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Blinky
[code]Anyways, screw it. With the flush draw and middle pair you push push push.
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Ehh, it's not the nuts, you're still on a flush draw regardless and TPTK is better in this situation.
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PocketFives - allLiving
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Greedo017
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Full House
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Originally Posted by allLiving
Ehh, it's not the nuts, you're still on a flush draw regardless and TPTK is better in this situation.
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actually, the flush draw + pair is better by .2%
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Blinky
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Flush
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Ehh, it's not the nuts, you're still on a flush draw regardless and TPTK is better in this situation.
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Fold equity. If I have TPTK and have an opp push in this situation, I lay it down unless I have a great read or if the opp has a very short stack.
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
We will not support your pocket pair aggression.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
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But i think there is a small glitch in this site because when the top pair has a runner runner straight draw nothing changes...
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TPTK doesn't need the straight, and there's no board that gives MP a hand that beats TPTK but also gives TPTK the straight. That's why there's no difference.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
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And allow me to introduce the OP to http://tinyurl.com/
Thanks.
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aislephive
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4-of-a-Kind
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I'll take mid pair and flush draw any day of the week, you have what, 14 outs? The 9 remaining spades, the two remaining nines, and the three remaining sevens. You're even money to win the hand and with the money already invested into the pot you have sufficient odds to call.
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Blinky
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Flush
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Ripp,
Thanks for stating what I SHOULD have said. Crunchy - thanks for stating what SHOULD have been obvious to me...
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
We will not support your pocket pair aggression.
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