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Old 04-13-2008, 06:14 AM     Post subject: Top pair, poor kicker #1 (permalink)  
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SB ($2.33)
BB ($14.42)
UTG ($1.90)
UTG+1 ($7.09)
MP1 ($10.17)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($6.57)
Hero ($9.04)
Button ($4.24)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 7.
UTG raises to $0.1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05.

Flop: ($0.90) 3, 4, A (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets $0.1, MP3 raises to $0.2, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.90, MP3 raises to $1.8, Hero ???

MP3 is 27/9/2 (11 hands)
MP1 is 44/0/0.25 (27 hands)

Is this an obvious straight?
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Definitely fold to the 3-bet preflop, and this is almost always at least two pair (or maybe AK/AQ at the very worst). As played, fold...you're beating basically nothing.
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:36 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Nah, Mp1 is drawing probably. Tried to buy the turn card cheaply and then was too dumb to fold imagining your lovely stacks in his. Mp3 just sucks and can't size his bets. With no real read you probably have to fold. If MP3 is just calling then I'm probably raising with you.

When someone does something like this to me, I give them credit the first time.
 
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:05 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 fold pre, fold flop
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Old 04-13-2008, 10:59 AM #5 (permalink)  
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It's not the possibility of a straight that should be worrying you. It's the possibility of every single hand that could/is beating you on this flop.

Fold pre to a 3-bet, you are either dominated by a big ace or agains a big PP which you don't have the greatest equity against.

Don't 3-bet this flop, just fold your way behind here IMO
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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No, it's not obvious that it's a straight. But it is obvious that you are beat.
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Old 04-13-2008, 01:39 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Tony, you need to think frankly and honestly about the range of hands your opponent(s) have.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:53 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Ask yourself who could possibly have 52 here. Of course it's not a straight. It's probably a set, two pair or (most likely) AJ-AK, and you are way behind all of them.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:15 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Dude not going to lie, this hand was played pretty bad....but hey we learn from our mistakes....

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mistake #1: why are you calling a 3-bet w/ A7s thats not going to fly if you want to make money in poker..fold fold fold....

mistake #2: re-raising with TP here is a big no no...you have to THINK about what your opponents have...you obv dominated right now...

This hand was doomed from the get-go but whatever its one hand that hopefully you learned a lot from..I would suggest you go do some studying on PF play...look around the forums and articles....GL
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Old 04-14-2008, 03:44 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Dude not going to lie, this hand was played pretty bad....but hey we learn from our mistakes....
Dude, I'm not going to deny that this hand was played HORRIBLY.

The only thing I have to say in my defence was that this hand (and the post) came at the end of a long losing session in which I had very bad cards, and on the few occasions I did have good ones, I was either sucked out by a worse hand or the whole table folded to my modest PF raise (eg. twice I got the blinds only with KK). I was tired, hungry, frustrated that things weren't going my way, sick of getting sucked out by these idiots calling my psb on the turn with a gutshot draw and hitting it, and decided that I was going to take down a big hand to get my losses back. In other words, tilting badly. Which in the end is no excuse really, and certainly doesn't give me back any of the $$$ I lost.

So while I may have made an awful mess of this, more than any reasonable player should or would make, I learned a good lesson about only playing when you're in control of yourself.

Overall, I have only been playing for a few weeks and have only ~7,000 hands under my belt, but I've done well enough in that time at 2NL in particular to get my BR from $50 to $105 (it was $125 before this session!) and move up to 5NL. So I don't think I am this bad. I just ignored everything I know in this hand!

By the way, to make this worse (if that's possible), I did call, a seven came on the turn to give me two pair, and I lost a lot of money (by 5NL standards anyway) to MP1 who held 44 and had made a set on the flop. The funny thing is that MP3 had ATo and was playing just as awful as I was!

Thanks folks, and sorry to take up your time with such a shocker.
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I learned a good lesson about only playing when you're in control of yourself.
This lesson is invaluable, and definitely worth loads more than it cost you!

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I've done well enough in that time at 2NL in particular to get my BR from $50 to $105 (it was $125 before this session!) and move up to 5NL.
well done.
The fact that you recognise and acknowledge the problems with the way you played this hand bode well for continuing to grind up your roll.
Play well, and good cards to you!
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 04-15-2008, 01:16 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Yeah tilts a pretty shitty feeling and its going to take sometime before you know how to control this "feeling" that seems to consume all of us from time to time...just remember that everything is going to work out and you need to stay disciplined when this feeling comes about...figure out what works best for you....usually just stopping the session is the way to go....Gl and your on the right track to becoming a good poker player...
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:40 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Thanks guys.

Got back on the horse again tonight and won back about $4 over about 400 hands, which I think is not too bad at 5NL. Especially when I found myself down another fistful of cash after my first hand:

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Hero ($10)
UTG ($4.50)
UTG+1 ($2.97)
MP1 ($8.57)
MP2 ($7.90)
MP3 ($4.66)
CO ($6.93)
Button ($8.26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, 8.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.12) 9, 7, T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15.

Turn: ($0.42) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, MP2 calls $0.40.

River: ($1.22) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, MP2 raises to $3.55, Hero ???

So I had top pair with an OESD, which I thought was worth shooting out with on the flop with just one limper. Got called, decided to fire a second barrel and take away his odds figuring that he was probably chasing a straight draw. Called again, no help for anyone on the river, then he comes out with a big raise - no draw hit - what's he got??
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:29 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 ^^ Instafold, he's probs slowplayed something - think about what he's raising with here...
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:08 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Agree. When you have top pair, middle kicker, you want to stay down in the low-rent district unless you have a great read. (Or does he have a great read on you? Or...)
Sue me if I play too long....
 
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:26 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Well, I'm not sure what he's got, but I think you're beat. I'd fold.

My guess is that he's got pocket JJ or pocket QQ.
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Old 04-22-2008, 01:34 PM #17 (permalink)  
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