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spoonitnow
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08-15-2007, 12:30 AM
Post subject: Top/Bottom Pair
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I'm curious to get into the mind of the microstakes player. This is modeled after a hand I saw earlier today.
Assume $0.10/0.25 blinds, $25 stacks, 9-handed table, and UTG has a PFR% of 4.
You are on the button with A Q. UTG raises to $1, a player in MP calls, you call, and the blinds fold.
The pot is $3.35 and the flop comes A K Q
UTG bets $2.25, and MP folds. You raise to $6, and UTG pushes all-in.
The pot is $33 and it's $18 to call, what's your play and why?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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miracleriver
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I probably fold and then curse myself for being so weak. To me, pfr 4% from utg makes their range pretty narrow. This type of player is usually passive post-flop, so their push tells me they've got me beat and that at best i'd chop.
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poker_pup
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Straight
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I'd fold.
Low PFR% probably means he's only betting premium hands preflop. I'd guess he's holding QQ, KK, AA or AK.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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fold. he has either a set, AK, or possibly JTs. the only other hands you beat are KQ weak A's and underpairs. i only see KQ shoving here with a 4% pfr. the rest has you beat. he is also oop, so, more likely to be pushing something real strong here, instead of bluffing...especially since you raised the flop fairly strong. he knows you arent likely to fold.
reasoning: you are now in a marginal, dominated situation. there will be PLENTY of other chances to stack this turkey, or bleed him slowly with cbets. fold here, you'll make your money back soon enough.
my .02
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bode
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4%PFR = 99+, AQs+, AKo. 99-JJ fold to your flop raise. You are behind 100% here making it correct to fold.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
4%PFR = 99+, AQs+, AKo. 99-JJ fold to your flop raise. You are behind 100% here making it correct to fold.
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This is a hand where PT pays for itself.
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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spoonitnow
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I was curious to see if I'd get any OMFG CALL YOU HAVE 2 PAIR responses, but alas I did not =P
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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topsoyale
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Flush
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OMFG never ever fold 2 pair
Better?
Nice post though, highlights that beginning players tend to overlook their opponents ranges and play their own cards.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by topsoyale
OMFG never ever fold 2 pair
Better?
Nice post though, highlights that beginning players tend to overlook their opponents ranges and play their own cards.
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lol, kinda wanted a less obvious example, but thanks
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
4%PFR = 99+, AQs+, AKo. 99-JJ fold to your flop raise. You are behind 100% here making it correct to fold.
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nah we are ahead of KQ but its still a pretty easy fold since we are behind so much more.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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spoonitnow
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KQ doesn't raise from UTG if VP$P is 4
Edit: it's obv you already knew that but posting so someone else doesn't say it and make a big deal out of it
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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TLR
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Given your oppoent range, this is a fold preflop
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markmarksson
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def fold
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by TLR
Given your oppoent range, this is a fold preflop
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obv
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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