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rdqlus
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04-13-2005, 05:02 PM
Post subject: A time to slowplay?
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You're in EP/MP at a 6-max table (50NL on Empire). You hold:  
You limp, two other limpers behind you, SB folds and BB checks.
Flop comes:
 :Ad: 
BB checks it to you. What's your move?
This hand came up last night and I bet out half the pot. All folded.
I'm now thinking that this is a spot to slowplay a bit. It's an easy flop for anyone without an Ace (or a weak Ace) to get away from so you almost have to check here and risk giving a free card and hope that one of the people to act after you bets.
If the flush card hits then you may have to shut down but that said, the :Ad: is already out and that would be card the flush monkey would probably have if he were going after the flush.
Thoughts?
mj
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dsaxton
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It probably didn't matter what you did here, but I would probably try to check-raise. Many people like to limp in with A-x suited and will probably be prone to bet when checked to if they've hit their pair of aces. If no one bets, then make a strong bet on the turn.
There is, however, nothing wrong with leading out and charging your opponents something for the turn.
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ensign_lee
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Your hand is NOT going to get any better. It is already at its max potential. On the other hand, a person drawing to a flush has the potential to own you if another diamond hits. I'd bet here, just like you did, and hope somebody had the ace. Otherwise, what hand logically will pay you off?
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Otherwise, what hand logically will pay you off?
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A set or aces up.
The idea is not that he's checking to hope that he improves, he would be checking to make more money by letting an opponent for him.
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ensign_lee
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Otherwise, what hand logically will pay you off?
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A set or aces up.
The idea is not that he's checking to hope that he improves, he would be checking to make more money by letting an opponent for him. |
But the only hand that would logically develop would be that which is just above what he has now: a flush.
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Sykedupp
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Yeah I definately bet here, bet enough to take odds away for up to 2 callers looking for the flush, since (at least at the lowass limits i play) fishies call with kx suited, qx suited, and suited connects like the ones you got (except diamonds)... if you catch a good hand and nobody else does, oh well... str8's are NOT that good, not worth slowplaying to a flush.
It's like when you flop a set with your PP and 2suited come up... bet that shit out
-Chris
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Originally Posted by soupie
That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Your hand is NOT going to get any better. It is already at its max potential.
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Technically...he could runner runner a straight flush.
P.S. Yes, I'm just being difficult 
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rdqlus
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I agree that the flush is the most likely hand to develop - but it's usually pretty obvious when someone hits it and it's easy to get away from it when the pot has 4.5BB in it.
The other hand that can develop is two pair. Idiot's on Party Poker play like it's the nuts when they make two pair on the turn after the flop was checked around.
... and yes, I agree, if I flopped a set of 3's with that flop I'd bet it hard - that's an obvious bet there (flush draw, possible straight).
mj
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dsaxton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Otherwise, what hand logically will pay you off?
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A set or aces up.
The idea is not that he's checking to hope that he improves, he would be checking to make more money by letting an opponent for him. |
But the only hand that would logically develop would be that which is just above what he has now: a flush. |
What? You aren't hoping someone's hand develops, you're hoping they bet with a lesser hand.
The idea here is to extract maximum value from a player who has flopped something marginal, while also putting heavy pressure on drawing hands.
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Fjaman
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04-13-2005, 11:37 PM
Post subject: Slowplaying...
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I would not slowplay this flop to many potential hands can really hurt you. The small flush is a definite worry, also 56s if a 4 happends to fall... I usually try to underbet the pot slightly and try to get the weak ace to follow, and if he does throw in a pot sized bet at the turn aswell. 
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I think you want to fast play this.... just enough to let other people make mathematical errors. There's still a lot of ways to lose this pot. You could get runnered into a higher straight when your 4-5 gets counterfeited. The set that will pay you off could turn into a boat. Two Pair could turn boat here... And of course the flush draw.
Too many ways to lose to safely slowplay. I'm charging my opponents pot sized and more than willing to go all in to protect this hand.
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