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nish81

08-12-2009, 11:40 AM Post subject: three 2nl hands

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thanks again to all who take the time to help me out

hand 1:
frighten is 57/4/1.38 (28%), no reads on termx.
if I'm betting here, am i folding out lots of hands that I beat and getting calls from better? SD's and maybe Jx are calling me, especially with someone 57/4 and loose, but i'm not IP and it's a multiway flop. and this board has the potential to turn into something I wont like by the river.

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
9 players
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Stacks:
UTG Sean Gecko ($2.68)
UTG+1 Hero ($2.00)
MP1 Lupus555 ($2.79)
MP2 frighten ($4.29)
MP3 DaveGore1 ($1.49)
CO fine-O ($1.57)
BTN piatekm ($1.19)
SB TermX2 ($3.00)
BB tech.service ($2.06)

Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, frighten calls $0.08, 3 folds, TermX2 calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop:

($0.26, 3 players)
TermX2 checks, Hero ($1.92)?

hand 2:
no reads here.
i'm pretty sure raising is the right choice here, but to how much? if i raise to something like .36, i assume villain is calling that with the same range roughly that they'd call a raise to .46 with.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($2.99)
UTG ($3.72)
UTG+1 ($3.02)
MP1 ($1.64)
Hero (MP2) ($2.06)
CO ($0.97)
Button ($2.79)
SB ($4.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

, Q

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.12, 2 folds, SB calls $0.11, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.40) 7

, 7

, 4

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.06, Hero ???, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.52 | Rake: $0

hand 3:
villain is 52/0 over 23 hands.
mainly asking about my flop bet here: is worse calling enough? SDs and Qx is calling i guess, and there are a few combinations of Kx that I beat.

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saw flop

CO ($1.12)
Button ($1.48)
SB ($5.01)
Hero (BB) ($2.06)
UTG ($4.20)
UTG+1 ($0.58)
MP1 ($0.77)
MP2 ($5.02)
MP3 ($4.28)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, K

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) 9

, Q

, K

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.24) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.19, UTG+1 raises to $0.48 (All-In), Hero calls $0.29

River: ($1.20) 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.20 | Rake: $0.05

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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WillburForce

08-12-2009, 12:05 PM

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hand1 : I just raise approx 3/4 pot. hope to get folds. any action and i'm gettign ready to muck turn.

hand 2: i'd pot bet it. wanna get the pot big as poss.

hand3 : I'd raise pre-flop to take the blinds of the limpers. As played, you got top pair so betting flop is fine. i'd play flop and turn the same.

Normski

08-12-2009, 03:12 PM

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Flop: ($0.40) 7, 7, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.06, Hero ???, 2 folds

9/10 this is a complete bluff. I raise this stupid donk bet every time. Don't worry about raising x-amount times his bet, just treat it like a check and bet pot.

littleogre

08-12-2009, 03:49 PM

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hand 1 your bet was way to large. Even at 2nl you are likely crushed by any call. The whole idea of betting over 4x pot seems wrong to me.

Hand 2 raise him on the flop.

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08-12-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by littleogre

hand 1 your bet was way to large. Even at 2nl you are likely crushed by any call. The whole idea of betting over 4x pot seems wrong to me.

I don't mean to be rude so please don't take it that way but what in the goddamn fucking hell shitpisscock are you talking about?

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08-12-2009, 04:00 PM

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hand 1 your bet was way to large. Even at 2nl you are likely crushed by any call. The whole idea of betting over 4x pot seems wrong to me.

I don't mean to be rude so please don't take it that way but what in the goddamn fucking hell shitpisscock are you talking about?

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Ogre obviously read Nish's stack size as a bet.

nish81

08-12-2009, 05:16 PM

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thanks wilburforce and Nutty

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

hand 1 your bet was way to large. Even at 2nl you are likely crushed by any call. The whole idea of betting over 4x pot seems wrong to me.

Hand 2 raise him on the flop.

how much would you raise to? and how would you play hand 3? thanks

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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philly and the phanatics

08-12-2009, 05:57 PM

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lol@ if nish did raise 1.97 into a 20 cent pot

nish81

08-12-2009, 06:47 PM

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LOL no i didn't, it was about .18-.24 iirc

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds

JoeHaw

08-12-2009, 06:58 PM

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Why do people want to bet pot in hand 2?

IMO that donk bet is a draw or complete air like 85% of the time and I raise to 28-34 to try and keep him in w a worse hand.

EDIT and if it's a 7x than we don't want a big pot anyways

08-12-2009, 07:48 PM

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If he's drawing we're giving him unfavorable odds to do so by betting pot. Do 2nl players bet and raise their draws though? IDK

If he has a 7, he most likely would have checked because that's what 99% of 2nl players do - they slowplay.

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08-12-2009, 08:28 PM

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We're also giving him unfavorable odds by betting 1/2 to 2/3 pot and he's much more likely to call imo. 2nl players don't raise their draws typically, but 2c and 6c donk bets like this are draws a lot. I can't tell you how many notes I took that said something like small donk lead folds to pot sized raise before I started realizing I might be able to get more value out of the draws.

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08-12-2009, 08:40 PM

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...before I started realizing I might be able to get more value out of the draws.

Then why bet 1/2 the pot when they'll call a full psb with the same drawing hand? A good majority of 2nl players would call a shove on this flop if they had two spades in the hole. We're losing value by betting less than what villain will call with worse hands, right?

JoeHaw

08-12-2009, 10:58 PM

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Alright well now I'm thinking you're right.

From my experience (only 25k to be fair), that 6c bet is weak and represents a draw around 3 out of 4 times. (I think we agree here)

Now in trying to get value out of those draws I think when we raise 1/2 - 2/3 pot he calls 75% folds 25%. And I think when we raise full pot he calls 50% folds 50%. So say the pot is 20 and he bets 4c. If we raise to 16c we make 12c on average if the draw doesn't complete.

If we raise 24c we make 12c on average if the draw doesn't complete and the pot is bigger for trying to earn more bets on the turn when we have the best hand.

Does everybody agree w the bolded percentages?

Anyways yeah now I think at least at 2nl raise pot sized for sure I don't know why I say things w/o thinking sometimes.

philly and the phanatics

08-12-2009, 11:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeHaw

i tend to agree with nutty more, i have seen people call all ins with just 2 spades, i dont think they fold a REAL draw ever, maybe if you are considering backdoor a draw, or 2 over cards a draw then maybe, but generally i see people fall in loooove with their draws

JoeHaw

08-12-2009, 11:51 PM

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Yeah I wasn't thinking glad I got that shit out of my head

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08-13-2009, 08:48 AM

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sorry i saw the 1.92 and thought it was a raise .

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